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2016 Postmortem

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ElementaryPenguin

(7,849 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:06 PM Jan 2017

If the Russian scandal leads to abolishing electronic voting, 4 years of President Pence [View all]

Will absolutely suck - but will be endurable.

Trump will be impeached. It's clear that Trump's unpopularity will continue to grow - the man simply cannot resist alienating as many people and entities as he possibly can. The intelligence community is going to nail him with a whopper. It's probably already been decided within Republican circles that they will not defend him much longer. (And Republicans like McCain and Graham - and even Rubio, despise the orange creature almost as much as we do!)

An establish GOP player, Pence is obviously manageable - their kind of guy. Yes, he's a right-wing scoundrel, he's going to set back progressive causes decades, but he isn't going to dance to Putin's tune, and he isn't likely to start WWIII.

But what HAS to come out of this scandal - is not just how bad Trump and his campaign were/are - but how vulnerable our electronic voting system truly is - which must lead to it's abolition!!! THAT must be the primary focus - or we're headed to another election where massive theft will be a possibility again - either performed by a hostile foreign power again - Russia, China, name your country, - or done by a domestic player.

Pence will not enjoy the grassroots support that Trump has, and we know that the Trump/Pence policies will fail miserably, and become wildly unpopular. Polarizing figures like Jeff Sessions will likely to lead to widespread civil unrest. 4 years from now - people are going to want change again. Pence will not be difficult to beat - provided we have done away with - or seriously made fail-proof electronic voting.

After the impeachment of the disgraced Trump THIS will have to be the primary focus of progressives. Without it, the voting majority has little chance of reclaiming much power. Simply put - THE GOP CHEATS!!!!!!!!!!! And the American people have to be convinced - once and for all - that ELECTRONIC VOTING IS TOO VULNERABLE AND WILL ABSOLUTELY DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY!

We can't allow the subject to remain taboo. It goes without saying, this is not the only issue - but we can accomplish next to nothing without it being seriously addressed. The GOP has to be put in a position where it can't be seen defending it, any more than it can be seen defending Trump.

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I don't think Trump will be impeached. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #1
Well, I am certain he will be... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #3
Actually, no. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #13
They are stuck with him. If they impeach him, they outrage their base. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #14
Their base is too small... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #15
They won't impeach him. Their base got Trump elected in the first place. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #16
They'll have to impeach him... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #17
Thanks! Well - I can't say I hope you're right because I think Pence would be every bit as bad 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #18
Pence may will be every bit as bad - but not every bit as MAD! ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #19
I dunno... he's a bible prophecy/Christian supremacist ideologue. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #22
The only way to eliminate electronic machines would be state law Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #2
Yes. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #4
No. Federal law would preempt the state laws. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #20
Here we go again-- IT'S NOT VULNERABLE! Some systems are insecure, but hardly any... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #5
MANY disagree with you... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #6
From your link... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #10
And from THIS link - Comey lied ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #11
By what fantasy do you see electronic voting being abolished? EL34x4 Jan 2017 #7
So the Russians were hacking into ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #8
Throwing in the word "conspiracy" ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #9
Exit poll data. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #12
You should have stopped reading at the words unadjusted exit poll data mythology Jan 2017 #21
Actually, it wasn't only the Edison Media Research exit polls that had Trump losing the swing states ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #23
"screen shots of exit polls publicized as soon as possible immediately after the closing of state jmg257 Jan 2017 #25
Kicked. MaeScott Jan 2017 #24
I think Trump's campaign having communication with Russia might mean no Pence either NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #26
Yeah, could well be. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #27
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