2016 Postmortem

LanternWaste

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100. We'll never be wrong if we predicate our ethics on the lowest common denominator

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:45 PM

Jan 2017

It is indeed, ethically convenient to lower the standards on anyone we ourselves support, and rationalize that lowering of standards by pointing towards the lowest standard available.

We'll never be wrong if we predicate our ethics on the lowest common denominator. Yours is the petulant excuse used by seven year olds since time immemorial: "they did it too!!!"

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NBC News: How Bernie Sanders Avoided Disclosing His Personal Finances [View all] George II Jan 2017 OP

I noticed this at the time and am sure he knew exactky how to access the records bravenak Jan 2017 #1

Why bother since Trump didn't. It must not be that important. UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #2

Trump filed his required Personal Financial Disclosure, but didn't release his income tax returns. George II Jan 2017 #3

Bernie Sanders filed his FEC forms UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #12

That was his statement of candidacy. Every candidate is required by law to also file.... George II Jan 2017 #13

Sanders never filed his financial disclosures Gothmog Jan 2017 #55

so what？ UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #61

So, if it's wrong and dishonest and shady when Trump does it, it's the same when others do it. synergie Jan 2017 #64

So what No one is holding Trump to this standard. Are They? UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #85

No but Hillary was and then some SticksnStones Jan 2017 #94

So you're saying that if Trump gets away with lying, being shady and going back on his word, synergie Jan 2017 #130

Being just as unethical as trump is not a good standard to use here Gothmog Jan 2017 #149

So what? If Federal law that all Federal candidates file Personal Financial Disclosures.... George II Jan 2017 #68

So What? No one care about standards. Trump proves that! UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #86

No doubt, that's the narrative you use to dismiss and trivialize concerns LanternWaste Jan 2017 #99

If it is good enough for Trump it is good enough for Bernie! UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #158

So Sanders was not being honest about being transparent Gothmog Jan 2017 #112

NEWS AUG 18 2016, 12:45 PM ET tecelote Jan 2017 #4

Some unfortunately need to go that far back for dirt on Bernie NWCorona Jan 2017 #27

"that far back"? It was only a few months ago and he skirted around Federal law. George II Jan 2017 #69

That was a little tongue and cheek on my part as it does seem like a lifetime ago NWCorona Jan 2017 #72

Well, I've been called an extreme left wing liberal (at times "commie", which is so passe)... George II Jan 2017 #74

Who Cares? Trump has so much dirt on him and who brings that up? UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #87

It makes me think of another news story from some time ago. QC Jan 2017 #70

That story is one that I come back to quite a bit lately. NWCorona Jan 2017 #73

Far back is his book about WhiteTara Jan 2017 #103

You can go back that far as I know that those stories are a hard pill for some to swallow. NWCorona Jan 2017 #107

Are you kidding? Trump had a two foot thick oppo book on Sanders that would have destroyed him Gothmog Jan 2017 #121

How is it Bernie Bashing? He failed to do what he repeatedly said he would, synergie Jan 2017 #66

Who Cares? Trump never does what he says he will do. Why hold bernie to a higher standard? UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #88

We'll never be wrong if we predicate our ethics on the lowest common denominator LanternWaste Jan 2017 #100

So your position isthat if Trump gets by with something, then it is okay for Sanders to do the same? Gothmog Jan 2017 #122

Seems like you're holding Bernie to a LOWER standard. I hold Bernie to his own word, synergie Jan 2017 #127

Good, Good, let the hate flow through you! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #5

Because Sanders is pure as new-fallen snow, right? baldguy Jan 2017 #23

And he is Saint Bernie WhiteTara Jan 2017 #104

Have you bought his latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #56

Without campy and tired movie quotes, many people would be unable to add anything of substance. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #101

In Other News, A New World Record... OneBlueDotBama Jan 2017 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jan 2017 #7

Not a world record, last summer one was sent to a candidate that was 600 pages. George II Jan 2017 #9

I remember this also Gothmog Jan 2017 #123

FYI: George II Jan 2017 #11

Disgusting. yardwork Jan 2017 #8

2016 fec summary juxtaposed Jan 2017 #10

Those documents are for the Campaign Committee. Every candidate for Federal office... George II Jan 2017 #15

you know what i'm pretty sure they wouldn't find in his account? 200 thousand dollar deposits from dionysus Jan 2017 #14

What candidate had "200 thousand dollar deposits from goldman sachs"? George II Jan 2017 #16

sorry, it was more. she actually got $675,000 from goldman sachs for 3 speeches. link included. dionysus Jan 2017 #17

She wasn't a candidate at the time. But since you're digging up "dirt", do you or anyone know... George II Jan 2017 #19

Miles Kailburn and Vallene Kailburn NWCorona Jan 2017 #36

Tad Devine has owned up to being part owner. I wonder who placed $64M in media buys from them? George II Jan 2017 #37

Where has he owned up to that? If you are trying to make a point you should start with that NWCorona Jan 2017 #39

Here, and the rest of the article is interesting, too: George II Jan 2017 #41

That's not him admitting that he's a part owner. That's him saying that he's splitting NWCorona Jan 2017 #44

I should have said he has "very close ties" to the mysterious Old Towne Media LLC. George II Jan 2017 #45

Yes the article notes that he worked with the founders but I still don't see NWCorona Jan 2017 #47

When real estate is sold, both realtors get paid, one by the seller, the other by the buyer. George II Jan 2017 #49

And sometimes both Realtors split the 3% instead of the combined 6% NWCorona Jan 2017 #51

I think you need to bail on this thread and read up. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #71

Sorry, that's not the way it worked in the seven real estate sales in which I've been involved. George II Jan 2017 #75

Then you got screwed. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #77

I didn't get screwed, maybe the brokers involved "got screwed"? Doubt it but.... George II Jan 2017 #78

This article goes in to some depth about who received commissions Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #79

Not really. George II Jan 2017 #118

I am in the process of closing a sale within the month of my own property. Bohunk68 Jan 2017 #84

And therein lies the problem with Old Towne Media, which handled upwards of $100 million.. George II Jan 2017 #146

I would think that the truth will come out soon enough NWCorona Jan 2017 #153

Time will tell Gothmog Jan 2017 #160

If I was to guess I'd say that he leveraged their assets with the NWCorona Jan 2017 #162

I thought Devine had handled Sanders's advertising. lapucelle Jan 2017 #133

Devine only took one-half of the 15% commissions Gothmog Jan 2017 #150

That's an awful lot of $27 donations. lapucelle Jan 2017 #152

It takes a large number of $27 donations to pay for a $600,000 third home Gothmog Jan 2017 #154

How do you know? yardwork Jan 2017 #18

because he has a penis dsc Jan 2017 #22

I remember reading Bayard Jan 2017 #20

We don't know what his net worth is now, he refused to file his FEC mandated disclosure. George II Jan 2017 #21

What about the $600,000 third home he just bought? Gothmog Jan 2017 #125

Hillary paid an immense price for being open about her personal finances dsc Jan 2017 #24

You can have this point if you want but the last two paragraphs in the link explain a lot NWCorona Jan 2017 #25

And we're all waiting for that with bated breath. George II Jan 2017 #29

May 15th will be here soon enough. NWCorona Jan 2017 #31

Yes, as was June 30 and then August 15 last year. George II Jan 2017 #33

Yup NWCorona Jan 2017 #34

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #26

I don't recall anyone saying he owned two mansions or even a mention of what kind of car... George II Jan 2017 #35

So what is this story really about? Why is it being posted today? underthematrix Jan 2017 #28

What foreign outlet are you talking about? George II Jan 2017 #38

Thank you for pointing out my error underthematrix Jan 2017 #43

Bernie Sanders must be doing something right for them to go after him like this. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #30

This article is from August of 2016 Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #32

Oh. I didn't notice the date....b/c...wtf would anyone post this then? AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #40

+1 SMDH nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #95

Clinton should have hit Sanders more on this issue hollowdweller Jan 2017 #42

It's definitely fair game. NWCorona Jan 2017 #48

I can't believe you folks are still rehashing this shit. Vinca Jan 2017 #46

A good reminder of his duplicity. Thank you. n/t R B Garr Jan 2017 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #52

Who cares. He lost and Hillary lost kimbutgar Jan 2017 #53

8 years? Are you giving up on winning the 2020 election? (eom) StevieM Jan 2017 #63

Where are Sanders tax returns? Gothmog Jan 2017 #54

What's that word for when the person is hammering on Cha Jan 2017 #57

That is EXACTLY what this is all about, thanks! George II Jan 2017 #59

You're Cha Jan 2017 #67

he is not resident elect. IS HE? WTF. eyes on the con man please. pansypoo53219 Jan 2017 #58

Why ask about this，when you got the biggest liar called Trump to worry about？ UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #60

Most fans insist that 14 summary was actually releasing his taxes- bettyellen Jan 2017 #62

why the hell is anyone at NBC looking into this???????? Takket Jan 2017 #65

Joediss Joediss Jan 2017 #76

JFC, this is old bullshit. Trump's our focus now. Fuck the primaries Arazi Jan 2017 #80

Thanks for making clear he didn't do anything wrong. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #81

Bernie hate is awesome at digging up 5 month old articles aikoaiko Jan 2017 #82

Have bought Sanders latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #102

"Bernie hate is awesome at digging up 5 month old articles", as opposed to "Hillary Hate".... George II Jan 2017 #106

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #108

How pleasant of you, I'm sure you're proud. George II Jan 2017 #110

Sanders needs to file an updated financial report in May Gothmog Jan 2017 #111

I know you are. Please do make an OP and report the results. Maybe 5 OPs saying the same thing. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #113

BTW who are the owners of Old Town Media? Gothmog Jan 2017 #115

I love it when you take the mask off and show yourself. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #116

The May 2017 FEC reports will be interesting Gothmog Jan 2017 #119

May they be all that you want. What do you want them to say? aikoaiko Jan 2017 #126

It may explain where the money came from for Sanders to buy a $600,000 third home? Gothmog Jan 2017 #128

They may show that the "common man" who lives frugally, washes his own clothes, and.... George II Jan 2017 #131

I think you should bigger. Maybe payments from Trump's campaign. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #132

The truth about where Sanders got the money to pay for the house will be sufficient Gothmog Jan 2017 #136

There is evidently $4.5 million to $6 million of tv ad commissions unaccounted for Gothmog Jan 2017 #137

We may learn more about that once Sanders files his FEC Personal Financial Disclosure on May 15 George II Jan 2017 #117

I am curious as to how Sanders can now afford three houses Gothmog Jan 2017 #120

Me too. The latest, which was purchased only days after he officially was no longer a candidate.... George II Jan 2017 #124

Here's some more insight into "Old Towne Media".... George II Jan 2017 #135

There are a ton of questions being raised by this shell company Gothmog Jan 2017 #138

Wow, that is interesting! The comments after are devastating and sound like people R B Garr Jan 2017 #139

It would not surprise me one bit if between now and next year Sanders decided not to run again. George II Jan 2017 #140

I also would not be surprised Gothmog Jan 2017 #151

I think that is more likely than not. He is very divisive and I bet going forward R B Garr Jan 2017 #157

Wow. This OP and the replies... JNelson6563 Jan 2017 #83

Yeah, why are we only worried about the Democratic candidates conduct???? Trump does worse things UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #89

Nobody is ignoring Trump, but nice try. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #91

No, it wasn't a nice try. randome Jan 2017 #92

Let's talk about Trump and his lies then. UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #93

We get 2 months of OP's trashing Hillary and where she went wrong, ignoring Russia, Comey, etc, JTFrog Jan 2017 #90

Well to worry about Bernie is a waste of time when you have Trump in a position to do some very real UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #96

Wouldn't that same reasoning apply to trashing Hillary? yardwork Jan 2017 #97

... emulatorloo Jan 2017 #109

Are you daring to imply that there is a double standard at work here? Gothmog Jan 2017 #129

lulz Rex Jan 2017 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Jan 2017 #105

Sanders admitted that he was in the Democratic primary for money and media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #114

And what does this have to do with anything? HassleCat Jan 2017 #134

I bet he's getting tens of millions from Goldman Sachs without even having to give speeches! jalan48 Jan 2017 #141

If he did, he's the only one who did. George II Jan 2017 #142

Oh yeah! jalan48 Jan 2017 #143

So who else did? George II Jan 2017 #144

Uh-you know who! jalan48 Jan 2017 #145

Yes I do, no one. But if you're going to make rash, vague accusations, you could be more specific. George II Jan 2017 #147

Ah-I think I see what you mean-my apologies. jalan48 Jan 2017 #148

Hillary disclosed her tax returns right up front Cha Jan 2017 #155

We will never see Sanders tax returns Gothmog Jan 2017 #161

He knew he'd lose anyway, so he got away with this hypocrisy. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #156

so why did he do this? Just to avoid awkward questions about his wealth? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #159