2016 Postmortem

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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162. First off, calling people names is not a great idea

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 05:44 PM

Jan 2017

Owning handguns, rifles and shotguns for legal use by those not restricted from possession is not some creeping plague that will turn folks into fascists or spread hepatitis. The OP did not mention the NRA nor any right wing propagandists.

The essence of the 2A is to level the foundation on which personal freedom is built. There is no "special class" like the Japanese Samurai or the Waffen SS here. While some folks drive an Abrams for work, they don't bring them home. A 1911 OTOH is different, everyone can bring one home. The idea that everyone shares certain rights and personal freedoms is an essential for which the Founders set protections.

Sharing that freedom is what protects us from the government in that SWAT, the Abrams crew and all 180,000+ Marines are at their core Americans. The more aspects of law act as permissions for some minority and restrictions for others, the more an "us and them" mentality sets in. It is that mentality that must be protected against.

I don't own a gun. I trust the folks in our armed forces and law enforcement to respect me and the rest of we Americans because they are first and always Americans.

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Today, I'm embracing the second amendment. [View all] Amimnoch Dec 2016 OP

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This breaks my heart. Freedomofspeech Dec 2016 #2

You have got to be kidding me. Nt dionysus Dec 2016 #21

What exactly do you mean? Freedomofspeech Dec 2016 #37

History shows us, nobody. It's human nature, sadly. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #63

I'm in Texas blue cat Dec 2016 #3

Very intelligent and responsible position to take. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #4

I get it. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #5

it can take up to 4 months to get a carry permit and there are a lot of gotchas HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #44

should get a shotgun. less aiming needed. pansypoo53219 Jan 2017 #103

Not good advice... yagotme Jan 2017 #155

why 3 long slides, you need more variety SpookyDem Dec 2016 #6

What would you recommend? Amimnoch Dec 2016 #11

Recommendations Devil Child Dec 2016 #19

A 12 gauge shotgun is simultaneously the easiest and the most intimidating weapon for a beginner HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #41

Good catch Devil Child Jan 2017 #150

I also nil desperandum Jan 2017 #126

Revolvers are good Devil Child Jan 2017 #151

Take you alive? LOL. Chillax. dionysus Dec 2016 #22

I'm glad you're getting proper weapons training. DeadLetterOffice Dec 2016 #7

Buy guns! Johnny2X2X Dec 2016 #8

I've always been fully for gun control, but never.. mvd Dec 2016 #9

A couple of points... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #10

Thank you, and we will. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #12

Breathe deep, stay calm... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #15

If you're not putting us on... prepare for a gunshot to be WAY louder than you'd expect. Beyond that dionysus Dec 2016 #23

a suggestion or two sweetapogee Dec 2016 #45

If enough of you - and lots of straight and gay black and brown and female people, too - get guns EffieBlack Dec 2016 #13

Um, have you read the statistics in Chicago lately? cwydro Dec 2016 #17

You draw that conclusion because of Chicago? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #24

Oh I know. cwydro Dec 2016 #46

What are you talking about? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #58

The difference between gun ownership Uponthegears Dec 2016 #34

Privilege is only one of the things it smacks of . . . n/t EffieBlack Dec 2016 #59

I was being nice Uponthegears Dec 2016 #60

In that case is using concerns about guns in urban environments against guns in suburban environment HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #61

Injecting "concerns" about "gun violence in Chicago" into a discussion about a gay person EffieBlack Dec 2016 #62

I'm also gay, "Effie". cwydro Dec 2016 #80

Your being gay has nothing to do with my point, which remains the same EffieBlack Dec 2016 #89

Gun violence in Chicago is being addressed differently in 2017 HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #149

Most of the people killing or being killed in Chicago probably don't have many useful skills. Ace Rothstein Jan 2017 #152

"We are all the same" Uponthegears Dec 2016 #78

I think that you are making up mantras HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #79

Let's make this easier Uponthegears Dec 2016 #81

As the purchase of guns occurs and is regulated on an individual basis HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #85

Of course, my point has nothing Uponthegears Dec 2016 #91

Just saying.....but hollowdweller Dec 2016 #14

I agree. cwydro Dec 2016 #18

Yes, please get professional instruction on using weapons. cwydro Dec 2016 #16

omfg, the melodrama.. jesus christ. He's gonna be a dud but he's not firing up the ovens, get a grip dionysus Dec 2016 #20

Not melodrama. People are justifiably frightened. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #25

Of who, exactly? I'd be more concerned with whackos feeling emboldened, i do dionysus Jan 2017 #118

The fact that YOU don't feel fear doesn't mean that other, more vulnerable people aren't afraid EffieBlack Jan 2017 #131

It rarely starts and finishes with the State. SQUEE Jan 2017 #139

You are probably right. I'd certainly like to think that you are. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #55

Well, do what you feel you need to do.. i cant begrudge you that... dionysus Dec 2016 #83

We don't need AJT Jan 2017 #107

I agree. I remember the same shit with bush... when i was younger the doomsday dionysus Jan 2017 #111

We've got folks saying he's the world's biggest Truth321 Jan 2017 #115

I saw it with bush for 8 years.. the who actually started wars and was reaponsible dionysus Jan 2017 #116

Do not divulge your anti-trump sentiments to range personnel or others with guns. Paladin Dec 2016 #26

This is sound advice n/t Devil Child Dec 2016 #30

You probably have more reason to arm up than majority of gun nuts -- bigoted white wingers -- but Hoyt Dec 2016 #27

I surely understand your feelings. We haven't done anything yet, giving this a chance RKP5637 Dec 2016 #28

Yup. Also started a prepping hobby with the local Trump voter gun enthusiast. Pholus Dec 2016 #29

shame on you jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #31

Fuck that "shame on you" horseshit- violent homophobia is a real thing, and empty platitudes won't.. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #49

And, more to the point- "Pink Pistols: LGBT Gun Owners Unite in Arming Gay Community" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #51

here's a few links wincest Jan 2017 #98

The appropriation of the REAL dangers Uponthegears Dec 2016 #56

That's the problem. They've appropriated it. 2nd amendment is their tune, now. kcr Dec 2016 #69

And what knucledraggers would that be, exactly? Gun owners, or merely the white subset thereof? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #86

I take it you were not aware that the author of "Negroes With Guns" looked like this... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #87

What I am aware of Uponthegears Dec 2016 #90

Are you saying thatbsunurban whitw people should exercise their rigjts to have a firearm, for dionysus Jan 2017 #119

The percentage of Uponthegears Jan 2017 #124

Hunting is down but recreational shooting is way up HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #125

So suburbanites Uponthegears Jan 2017 #127

You seem to say that suburbanites are not entitled to security HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #130

And ADT relies Uponthegears Jan 2017 #138

Not saying specifically where HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #141

Great story! Uponthegears Jan 2017 #143

I don't think anuone here is arguing that suburbanites are somehow in danger dionysus Jan 2017 #154

I think you would be surprised citood Jan 2017 #135

I'm not saying no one Uponthegears Jan 2017 #137

One "privilege" white GLBTQ people enjoy: Having to worrry about antigay violence. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #88

More appropriation Uponthegears Dec 2016 #92

The OP expresses genuine fear for his and his loved one's safety and you play Oppression Olympics? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #93

The Oppression Olympics, huh? Uponthegears Jan 2017 #95

I know. The friggin OP is scared, and this guy busts in stopping just short of dionysus Jan 2017 #120

There are oppressed Uponthegears Jan 2017 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Dec 2016 #68

We just spent the last 8 years Truth321 Dec 2016 #32

A lot of good advice in this thread ... let me add a few suggestions DaleFromWPB Dec 2016 #33

My only addition would be to change the 50 to 100 rounds. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #38

I think that Hickok45 still has a Youtube channel unless they banned guns HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #42

Relax and have fun, those are nice pistols, I own an old Glock 17, but envy you your newer version braddy Dec 2016 #35

Awesome choice for the range HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #36

I don't do guns, but I don't begrudge others who feel they need them. Be safe. aidbo Dec 2016 #39

Well...I think it's safe to say this election will kill off gun control.... Imajika Dec 2016 #40

Would it be possible to relocate? ucrdem Dec 2016 #43

No. That would be *exactly* what the RW would want him and his husband to do friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #48

Perhaps, but I'm not sure that's what matters. ucrdem Dec 2016 #50

Oppressed minorities *have* armed themselves: Pink Pistols (and the Deacons for Defense And Justice) friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #52

Violence begets violence. ucrdem Dec 2016 #53

Perhaps- but it's the OP's decision as to whether he wishes to embrace nonviolence or not friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #94

I'll agree with you there. ucrdem Jan 2017 #100

Guns cannot be returned for a refund, after it is sold, it is used HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #108

That makes sense HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #54

Texas is becoming more progressive ElkeH Dec 2016 #73

I've never doubted it. ucrdem Dec 2016 #77

Are you under the impression that Texas is the only state with concealed-carry colleges? Paladin Dec 2016 #74

Right, there's Mississippi and Utah. ucrdem Dec 2016 #75

Amimnoch.. Cha Dec 2016 #47

Sad... Snackshack Dec 2016 #57

Democrats have passed every gun control law in USA Truth321 Dec 2016 #64

We did a poll where I think 700+ DUers responded aikoaiko Jan 2017 #96

"All other civilized nations have long since outlawed all firearms." Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #163

Including the federal and various state level AWBs discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #164

Welcome to the dark side :) A couple pointers: jack_krass Dec 2016 #65

I've...somewhat reevaluated my views on gun control. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Dec 2016 #67

You didn't become a knuckledgragging 2nd amendment humper kcr Dec 2016 #70

"Why liberals should love the Second Amendment" pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #71

A long gun is like a desktop computer, more powerful, but not the most convenient HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #72

As many have chimed in with good advice sarisataka Dec 2016 #76

I sure hope you are over-reacting. It seems like about half this country has doc03 Dec 2016 #82

One of the privileges of living in the US HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #84

you cant run from homophobia wincest Jan 2017 #99

As you just said - CA is one of the HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2017 #109

if he wants to move he should move wincest Jan 2017 #110

a few thoughts and some advice... ToolMaker Jan 2017 #97

You guys are all nuts! rgbecker Jan 2017 #101

as post #42 suggests wincest Jan 2017 #102

I grew up with firearms in the home... TomJulie Jan 2017 #104

Take it easy on criticizing others for being scairdy-cats, OK? Paladin Jan 2017 #105

Strategically placed??? TomJulie Jan 2017 #121

So, let us know how the visit to the range went? cwydro Jan 2017 #106

My husband is better than me, but I already knew that ;) Amimnoch Jan 2017 #112

It takes time to learn to shoot properly. cwydro Jan 2017 #113

most sweetapogee Jan 2017 #114

Glocks are not designed to have safeties HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #123

Interesting. Thanks for the info. cwydro Jan 2017 #134

Sounds like a good teacher HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #122

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #145

A shotgun is the ideal home defense weapon if you are home and it is behind the door HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #146

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #147

Honestly I do not know the OP's intention HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #148

At my place in maine i can just walk out to woods and practise with a 22, its dionysus Jan 2017 #117

Me too. We love to plink at cans and stuff. cwydro Jan 2017 #132

There is no reality in believing the 2nd Amendment is going to protect you from the Government. bullimiami Jan 2017 #129

If you're going to be a big enough target Calista241 Jan 2017 #133

It doesn't take the 1st, just the local SWAT, and you're already outgunned. bullimiami Jan 2017 #136

How many cops have to be killed across the nation before people stop becoming police officers? Calista241 Jan 2017 #140

You are wrong on so many thing here, I will just say SQUEE Jan 2017 #142

Body armor is generally legal to buy if you are not a felon HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #144

Also, yagotme Jan 2017 #157

What is interesting about silencers is that not only are they legal in many European countries HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #158

I think that it is Finland yagotme Jan 2017 #159

First off, calling people names is not a great idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #162

I've been thinking about it, especially cause I offered my 40 acres adigal Jan 2017 #153

Just a few short months ago, an "I'm getting a gun thread" hughee99 Jan 2017 #156

Examples abound of infants shooting parents, bystanders shot in drive-bys, ucrdem Jan 2017 #160

Every week guns saves lives, but you do not hear about it because it is a deterrent HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #161