2016 Postmortem

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts) Wed Dec 21, 2016, 05:19 AM Dec 2016

In which states would Bernie have done better or worse.. [View all]

is the question.

Probably better in the Rust belt. Maybe not as well in states like Virginia.

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In which states would Bernie have done better or worse.. [View all] speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 OP

I don't think that's the right question FBaggins Dec 2016 #1

I suspect he'd have won Alaska. Kentonio Dec 2016 #2

Stop with the fantasies. Bernie would have lost to Trump for real. baldguy Dec 2016 #3

Maybe, maybe not. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #5

Sorry, no. baldguy Dec 2016 #7

Well, TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #8

Clinton beat Trump by 3 million actual votes. baldguy Dec 2016 #9

Here's the deal - TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #11

Here's the deal - you're always going to fail when you try to "prove" a falsehood. baldguy Dec 2016 #13

Those you are describing when you say "Midwestern white evangelical hypocrites" are, PotatoChip Dec 2016 #82

"Jew?!" Are you aware at all? JudyM Dec 2016 #14

The fact the the poster went there is all that's needed to know. NWCorona Dec 2016 #22

You think Midwestern white evangelical hypocrites would just gloss over Sanders being Jewish? baldguy Dec 2016 #61

I think some have a problem with Jewish people regardless of geographical location NWCorona Dec 2016 #63

And those people voted for Trump, and would not have voted for Sanders. baldguy Dec 2016 #71

You don't think there are anti-Semites on the left? NWCorona Dec 2016 #74

It's not anti-Semitic to point out that RW assholes, supported by Nazis, just might be anti-Semitic. baldguy Dec 2016 #78

Sanders would have had those CA votes too. nt Lonusca Dec 2016 #16

These rust belt states.. speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #17

Jew? And the shoe drops. NWCorona Dec 2016 #21

You lost your credibility around here, dude. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #43

Sanders actually did poorly with Jewish voters also Gothmog Dec 2016 #46

Sanders has a better shot in WI, OH, MI, and PA Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #53

You got that right! JudyM Dec 2016 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #73

Sanders was a very weak general election candidate who would have been destroyed in the general Gothmog Dec 2016 #36

You have no way to know that. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #40

In the real world facts matter Gothmog Dec 2016 #45

In the real world, TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #48

I live in the real world where facts and authorities are important Gothmog Dec 2016 #54

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Vinca Dec 2016 #4

It's getting embarrassing isn't it? nini Dec 2016 #64

Maine 2nd district crazycatlady Dec 2016 #6

The blue wall would have held and tRump would be a distant memory! Joe941 Dec 2016 #10

The fact that Clinton outperformed the Senate candidates in PA and WI suggests otherwise. LonePirate Dec 2016 #12

That's where the expectation she would win hurt.. speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #18

'Don't confuse me with the facts' emulatorloo Dec 2016 #29

Your's is the only question that really matters Lonusca Dec 2016 #15

Yup zipplewrath Dec 2016 #20

I doubt he'd have lost VA but it might've been closer. Our population is shifting and northern JudyM Dec 2016 #25

Might have done well in Florida zipplewrath Dec 2016 #33

If he had won the primary ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #19

We will never know and as he won't be running again I think it's time to let it go NWCorona Dec 2016 #23

Better in some solidly red states but not enough to win. Worse overall elsewhere. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #24

Yeah, it would have helped if he actually registered Democrat too.. JHan Dec 2016 #34

It might have helped a bit, but he still wouldn't have had the support of the base. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #38

He was not a viable candidate for president duffyduff Dec 2016 #26

Which is actually an excellent argument to make for Sanders to have been the candidate. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #31

Him not being viable is an excellent argument for him being the nominee? Garrett78 Dec 2016 #37

Following the logic of the poster, Bloomberg would have been the President. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #58

Perhaps. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #60

Are we still pretending this wasn't an election of change? Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #55

Can't say I know who would have won, but Yupster Dec 2016 #75

Clearly it is hard to tell. Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #76

do you understand the absurdity of saying that the media hardly took him serious because JCanete Dec 2016 #59

Who cares? Bernie lost to Clinton. Clinton lost to Trump hollowdweller Dec 2016 #27

Well establishment Dems have run the party into the ground NCDem777 Dec 2016 #52

Just stop it okay??? New rule: No Bernie cultism on DU Dream Girl Dec 2016 #28

God forbid we talk about what might need to be done to win the next election. Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #56

There is nothing wrong with alternative history, or speculative fiction, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #30

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #32

Is rehashing this going to accompmish ANYTHING? You've already got some of dionysus Dec 2016 #35

Bernie Sanders Was On The 2016 Ballot And He Underperformed Hillary Clinton Gothmog Dec 2016 #39

Says you. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #42

The facts are on my side Gothmog Dec 2016 #44

.... Donald Trump is president-elect TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #47

Sanders did poorly with Dems in the primary. Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #57

When a popular Dem is in the White House, you can't expect the Dem nominee to run on "change." Garrett78 Dec 2016 #65

Are you going to admit that that was a huge mistake? Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #77

I think the Clinton campaign should have done more outreach to rural Democrats in swing states. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #81

That would rather depend on who was campaigning for him... Orsino Dec 2016 #41

Yeah pretty much like you said. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #49

He'd probably have held every state HRC took, and added the Upper Midwest+Iowa and Ohio Ken Burch Dec 2016 #50

Bernie would have won Michigan. putitinD Dec 2016 #51

The issue with Bernie, as well as O'Malley, is that a very different Bernie Sanders or StevieM Dec 2016 #62

What it takes to win in the primaries is different than what it takes to win in the GE. BigBoss26 Dec 2016 #66

Turnout of the base is important, though. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #68

Turnout of the base is definitely important. You won't get any argument from me there. BigBoss26 Dec 2016 #70

Michigan and Wisconsin TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #67

Note sure, but I was grateful that Bernie never ran as a third party candidate... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #69

At a minimum, he wins Hillary states + PA, MI, and WI jfern Dec 2016 #72

He won the Michigan primary KamaAina Dec 2016 #80