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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
41. Universal healthcare, yes. That was the point of Obamacare. It just came up short.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:47 PM
Dec 2016

There are multiple ways of getting there, single payer being just one. Another way, like Germany, is with an individual mandate.

Which means that Obama did exactly what you suggested: find a way to get universal coverage that also includes insurance companies. But even with that, he got zero Republican support. And because of two or three conservative Dems, we couldn't even get a public option.

Then the Supreme Court weakened Obamacare further, and GOP governors refused to implement exchanges or expand Medicaid. Obamacare worked much better in states where the state government wasn't trying to sabotage it to the detriment of their own citizens.

But despite all that, it still managed to expand coverage by 20 million and reduce the growth of health care costs.

You're right, there are a lot of ways it could be improved. But none of them are things that the GOP would go for. Sure, having the government pay premiums directly instead of subsidizing citizens would mean that out-of-pocket premium expenses would be lower, but then taxes would be higher by that same amount. Do you really think the GOP would sign on for a tax increase of that size?

And even politically, it's questionable whether people would rather pay the money to the government rather than directly to the insurance companies. Maybe they would, I don't know, it's a matter of perception.

Hmm. Bashing Obamacare and posting a link to right-wing website. DanTex Dec 2016 #1
I didn't read the article, just found realmirage Dec 2016 #3
Shocking. tammywammy Dec 2016 #4
Link fixed for the paranoid out there realmirage Dec 2016 #6
And you read that as bashing? realmirage Dec 2016 #8
It's really not. Those in the rust belt who prioritized La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #13
And lower turnout is blamed on? realmirage Dec 2016 #15
Many things including voter suppression La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #16
I know you read that in an article realmirage Dec 2016 #19
tRump enid602 Dec 2016 #58
Maybe right wing site but truth is we have lost two mid terms and on general ... MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #9
Single payer would never have made it through congress. DanTex Dec 2016 #21
Yes but a single payer drafted with some bi partisan support and that involves private insurance MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #25
There is no bipartisan support for single payer. And there never was. DanTex Dec 2016 #27
I can update my post to Universal health care where there is basic insurance for everyone MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #36
Universal healthcare, yes. That was the point of Obamacare. It just came up short. DanTex Dec 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #28
It was originally a link to twitchy. DanTex Dec 2016 #33
single payer is the ONLY solution. putitinD Dec 2016 #2
single payer got rejected in colorado JI7 Dec 2016 #5
single payer without private insurance inclusion will not pass... we need germany model of insurance MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #30
What state are you in? Also how would this get passed La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #7
I'm in the southwest realmirage Dec 2016 #10
So did you governor refuse to expand Medicaid? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #11
I make too much realmirage Dec 2016 #12
That's bs trixie2 Dec 2016 #14
BS huh? realmirage Dec 2016 #18
I honestly don't think you even filled out an application trixie2 Dec 2016 #23
My employer insurance is realmirage Dec 2016 #24
Awesome you brought that up trixie2 Dec 2016 #29
Lol you guys don't get it realmirage Dec 2016 #35
You can't be serious trixie2 Dec 2016 #42
You are probably realmirage Dec 2016 #45
hate to break it to you trixie2 Dec 2016 #57
Against it? I would love to have it realmirage Dec 2016 #46
Let me also point out realmirage Dec 2016 #37
So exactly which plans have you looked at? trixie2 Dec 2016 #44
I'll look into it again realmirage Dec 2016 #48
obviously you can't find the exact same insurance trixie2 Dec 2016 #50
The game of trying realmirage Dec 2016 #53
I believe that's called 'whipping a dead horse.' fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #31
$250 for 2 people is a whole lot better than what you'd get without obamacare. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #61
K & R n/t TubbersUK Dec 2016 #17
There are almost 2 million newly insured in Washington state alone ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #20
And how does that realmirage Dec 2016 #22
It doesn't ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #47
I'm thinking of moving to Texas realmirage Dec 2016 #54
Texas didn't expand Medicare and didn't set up an exchange. tammywammy Dec 2016 #56
the Obamacare subsidies are based on income treestar Dec 2016 #32
Lol ok then I guess I'll ask the writers realmirage Dec 2016 #38
you can based on your income treestar Dec 2016 #40
we meet again Kali Dec 2016 #34
On ignore for trolling realmirage Dec 2016 #39
that is what you said last time before replying to me several more times. Kali Dec 2016 #43
Yup. The masks eventually come off, eh?...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #52
Obamacare was done wrong, sold wrong, and of course it cost Democrats in 2016! paigeatemyshoes Dec 2016 #49
Drug companies... Yeah there's another asshole organization realmirage Dec 2016 #62
Transparent... SidDithers Dec 2016 #51
Pay attention DEMS.... Risk Corrider jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #55
Yes, Rubio's poison pill. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #60
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