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2016 Postmortem

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realmirage

(2,117 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:43 PM Dec 2016

Obamacare: how much was it to blame for the loss? [View all]

Edit: link fixed. It points to intended article now

Half of my family and friends are without health insurance because they can't afford it. I am also in that boat. This means not only do I live with the stress of my wife and I not being insured, I will then have to pay a penalty I can't afford either. I work a decent job but after the bills are paid there isn't enough left for insurance.

I saw some lefty friends on Facebook, who can't afford insurance, the week after Trump's win wondering desperately whether Trump will remove the penalty.

I wonder how many people who voted Trump did so partly due to being in the same situation I and my friends are in?

I don't claim to know a solution to this other than single payer, and that's not happening any time soon. I wonder for how many people the premium hikes and penalties combined with other economic concerns and swayed them to Trump.

I know that I am personally frustrated with the economy as are many others, and as much as I hear reports about the improving state of the economy I'm not seeing it personally. If this is my experience as a professional with a job, there must be tons of people out there just like me. It's fine for people to say that the hikes are a natural part of the progression and that at some undefined point in the future Obamacare will be working great. But I am one financial emergency away from ruin, and none of that "be patient" shit helps me now.

Were Democrats too chickenshit to fight for single payer? Regardless, obamacare is on the left's shoulders and I wonder how much we paid for that on Nov 8

The Democratic Party needs to be the party of the working class again, all colors. A party with balls to fight. Otherwise who will vote for Denocratic candidates? People vote survival first, everything else second.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/11/10/congress-and-president-elect-trump-capitol-hill-sen-al-franken-lead-tapper-intv.cnn

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Hmm. Bashing Obamacare and posting a link to right-wing website. DanTex Dec 2016 #1
I didn't read the article, just found realmirage Dec 2016 #3
Shocking. tammywammy Dec 2016 #4
Link fixed for the paranoid out there realmirage Dec 2016 #6
And you read that as bashing? realmirage Dec 2016 #8
It's really not. Those in the rust belt who prioritized La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #13
And lower turnout is blamed on? realmirage Dec 2016 #15
Many things including voter suppression La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #16
I know you read that in an article realmirage Dec 2016 #19
tRump enid602 Dec 2016 #58
Maybe right wing site but truth is we have lost two mid terms and on general ... MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #9
Single payer would never have made it through congress. DanTex Dec 2016 #21
Yes but a single payer drafted with some bi partisan support and that involves private insurance MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #25
There is no bipartisan support for single payer. And there never was. DanTex Dec 2016 #27
I can update my post to Universal health care where there is basic insurance for everyone MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #36
Universal healthcare, yes. That was the point of Obamacare. It just came up short. DanTex Dec 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #28
It was originally a link to twitchy. DanTex Dec 2016 #33
single payer is the ONLY solution. putitinD Dec 2016 #2
single payer got rejected in colorado JI7 Dec 2016 #5
single payer without private insurance inclusion will not pass... we need germany model of insurance MyNameIsKhan Dec 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #30
What state are you in? Also how would this get passed La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #7
I'm in the southwest realmirage Dec 2016 #10
So did you governor refuse to expand Medicaid? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #11
I make too much realmirage Dec 2016 #12
That's bs trixie2 Dec 2016 #14
BS huh? realmirage Dec 2016 #18
I honestly don't think you even filled out an application trixie2 Dec 2016 #23
My employer insurance is realmirage Dec 2016 #24
Awesome you brought that up trixie2 Dec 2016 #29
Lol you guys don't get it realmirage Dec 2016 #35
You can't be serious trixie2 Dec 2016 #42
You are probably realmirage Dec 2016 #45
hate to break it to you trixie2 Dec 2016 #57
Against it? I would love to have it realmirage Dec 2016 #46
Let me also point out realmirage Dec 2016 #37
So exactly which plans have you looked at? trixie2 Dec 2016 #44
I'll look into it again realmirage Dec 2016 #48
obviously you can't find the exact same insurance trixie2 Dec 2016 #50
The game of trying realmirage Dec 2016 #53
I believe that's called 'whipping a dead horse.' fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #31
$250 for 2 people is a whole lot better than what you'd get without obamacare. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #61
K & R n/t TubbersUK Dec 2016 #17
There are almost 2 million newly insured in Washington state alone ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #20
And how does that realmirage Dec 2016 #22
It doesn't ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #47
I'm thinking of moving to Texas realmirage Dec 2016 #54
Texas didn't expand Medicare and didn't set up an exchange. tammywammy Dec 2016 #56
the Obamacare subsidies are based on income treestar Dec 2016 #32
Lol ok then I guess I'll ask the writers realmirage Dec 2016 #38
you can based on your income treestar Dec 2016 #40
we meet again Kali Dec 2016 #34
On ignore for trolling realmirage Dec 2016 #39
that is what you said last time before replying to me several more times. Kali Dec 2016 #43
Yup. The masks eventually come off, eh?...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #52
Obamacare was done wrong, sold wrong, and of course it cost Democrats in 2016! paigeatemyshoes Dec 2016 #49
Drug companies... Yeah there's another asshole organization realmirage Dec 2016 #62
Transparent... SidDithers Dec 2016 #51
Pay attention DEMS.... Risk Corrider jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #55
Yes, Rubio's poison pill. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #60
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