2016 Postmortem

EffieBlack

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49. Depends on the audience

Reply to JudyM (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 03:44 PM

Dec 2016

A lot of people can't stand him. To Trump's people, Trump has a much better personality.

Perspective.

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What if Hillary had been swapped for Biden early..? [View all] Begabig Dec 2016 OP

Biden would be the 45th President being sworn in on Jan 20, not Drumpf putitinD Dec 2016 #1

What about his Iraq vote? Would he have received a pass or would he be labelled a war criminal... grossproffit Dec 2016 #25

Trump would have come after him in the debates and afterwards BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #27

He would have been attacked as viciously as Hillary was, maybe worse EffieBlack Dec 2016 #28

Those are still fairly limited issues. Not enough to throw so many voters to Johnson...and sympathy JudyM Dec 2016 #42

Those who voted for Stein...are not even worth talkng about... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #65

Respectfully disagree. Though they are no doubt masters of vicious ridicule, they still need fodder. JudyM Dec 2016 #67

They will always find fodder...count on it. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #68

Yep hueymahl Dec 2016 #35

Useless speculation, IMO. Biden didn't want to run. Arkansas Granny Dec 2016 #2

He wanted to run. Just not against Hillary. Nt NWCorona Dec 2016 #4

Well at least his career will end on a high note... Begabig Dec 2016 #8

What if Trump hadn't run at all? MineralMan Dec 2016 #3

This speculation is kinda pointless at this late in the game. NWCorona Dec 2016 #5

I agree with you on that still_one Dec 2016 #32

Sorry, but I think we would have lost bigger frazzled Dec 2016 #6

What I've observed in my adult voting life... Begabig Dec 2016 #7

So does Trump EffieBlack Dec 2016 #29

Biden is friendly, more relatable than tRump, plain-speaking with a sense of humor. Beats tRump on JudyM Dec 2016 #43

Depends on the audience EffieBlack Dec 2016 #49

We'd never get tRump's people, anyway. It's about middle America workers and populists. JudyM Dec 2016 #50

Joe is the man the media called the Gaffe Machine, and the Left repeated it Hekate Dec 2016 #60

Who the fuck is telling Hillary she can't go forward? Let me guess...a white man? nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #9

Someone with foresight? Begabig Dec 2016 #11

What if concrete Jesus had been substituted for Trump? GeorgeGist Dec 2016 #10

What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub? FSogol Dec 2016 #12

that's a useless question NRQ891 Dec 2016 #18

Love this one. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #38

who exactly would tell her this? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #13

Someone with a crystal ball that knows she would go on to lose... Begabig Dec 2016 #15

President Obama TSIAS Dec 2016 #40

what the president did was exactly the opposite, he encouraged Hillary to run La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #45

Any thought on Biden running in 2020? ALBliberal Dec 2016 #14

Maybe but I suspect his window had passed by... Begabig Dec 2016 #16

I would support him, LP2K12 Dec 2016 #19

He's a vigorous 70+ guy..so smart and savvy ALBliberal Dec 2016 #31

The blue wall would have held BigBadDem Dec 2016 #17

Biden would have won in a landslide. Joe941 Dec 2016 #20

I don't actually think so...had Bernie run in the primary against Biden who voted for the war Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #66

Biden would be President Elect right now.. nt Raine Dec 2016 #21

Who do you think had the right to tell Hillary she can't go forward? LisaL Dec 2016 #22

I think you're missing the point... Begabig Dec 2016 #37

Nobody had to tell Hillary anything. LisaL Dec 2016 #41

Maybe... Begabig Dec 2016 #44

It would still be close because I don't think he would get out of the primary/general unscathed. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #23

He'd get a pass on his Iraq vote, unlike Hillary, who was continually crucified for hers. grossproffit Dec 2016 #24

+1 Skid Rogue Dec 2016 #26

What if fairies are real and all we have to do is clap our hands and believe? rzemanfl Dec 2016 #30

BETTER: What if Biden had been swapped for Kaine early? (nt) Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #33

No change... Begabig Dec 2016 #36

What if....... calguy Dec 2016 #34

Hillary, too, had favorable ratings when she wasn't running Orangepeel Dec 2016 #39

and we are very good at killing our own candidate with right wing propoganda La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47

Sadly true Hekate Dec 2016 #61

If my..... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #46

If wishes and buts were clusters of nuts, we'd all have a bowl of granola. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #48

He could have won but he also has a habit of saying things he shouldn't but... hrmjustin Dec 2016 #51

This election season? Begabig Dec 2016 #56

Yes this season! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #57

I hate autocorrect too. I had to turn it off. Hekate Dec 2016 #62

He would have done better in PA and the Rust Belt speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #52

How many times has the same Party won three Presidential elections guillaumeb Dec 2016 #53

Wouldn't have helped. Biden has as many vulnerabilities as Hillary Ken Burch Dec 2016 #54

You know what they say about ASSumptions.By the way, Hillary WON the primary by millions of votes Hekate Dec 2016 #55

Among a whopping TWO serious candidates.... Begabig Dec 2016 #59

We Dems had several serious candidates, two of whom generated excitement and cash. Hekate Dec 2016 #63

He wouldn't have been running against Trump. noamnety Dec 2016 #58

You don't tell people they can or can't run...and Biden's kid was dying. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #64