2016 Postmortem

SaschaHM

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23. It would still be close because I don't think he would get out of the primary/general unscathed.

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 09:12 PM

Dec 2016

Most of the primary attacks against Clinton could easily be painted onto Biden and if Clinton represented "the establishment", then Biden would as well. Jill Stein and Gary Johnson would still be there to be the recipient of those sick of whatever the establishment is this year, but unwilling to go to Trump. We're assuming that Clinton lost those Obama 2012 voters on her own, but that's ignoring the steady decline of democrats state by state since President Obama took office and the efficient job that republicans have had painting him as the bearer of all their misfortunes (even though they overwhelmingly hold power in the statehouses). TPP/Syria/Obamacare etc. would all be pinned on Biden as VP. The fact that he was one of the authors of the Crime Bill would be used to depress black turnout. His plagiarism scandal would be played over and over by the media to bring down his trustworthiness numbers.

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What if Hillary had been swapped for Biden early..? [View all] Begabig Dec 2016 OP

Biden would be the 45th President being sworn in on Jan 20, not Drumpf putitinD Dec 2016 #1

What about his Iraq vote? Would he have received a pass or would he be labelled a war criminal... grossproffit Dec 2016 #25

Trump would have come after him in the debates and afterwards BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #27

He would have been attacked as viciously as Hillary was, maybe worse EffieBlack Dec 2016 #28

Those are still fairly limited issues. Not enough to throw so many voters to Johnson...and sympathy JudyM Dec 2016 #42

Those who voted for Stein...are not even worth talkng about... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #65

Respectfully disagree. Though they are no doubt masters of vicious ridicule, they still need fodder. JudyM Dec 2016 #67

They will always find fodder...count on it. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #68

Yep hueymahl Dec 2016 #35

Useless speculation, IMO. Biden didn't want to run. Arkansas Granny Dec 2016 #2

He wanted to run. Just not against Hillary. Nt NWCorona Dec 2016 #4

Well at least his career will end on a high note... Begabig Dec 2016 #8

What if Trump hadn't run at all? MineralMan Dec 2016 #3

This speculation is kinda pointless at this late in the game. NWCorona Dec 2016 #5

I agree with you on that still_one Dec 2016 #32

Sorry, but I think we would have lost bigger frazzled Dec 2016 #6

What I've observed in my adult voting life... Begabig Dec 2016 #7

So does Trump EffieBlack Dec 2016 #29

Biden is friendly, more relatable than tRump, plain-speaking with a sense of humor. Beats tRump on JudyM Dec 2016 #43

Depends on the audience EffieBlack Dec 2016 #49

We'd never get tRump's people, anyway. It's about middle America workers and populists. JudyM Dec 2016 #50

Joe is the man the media called the Gaffe Machine, and the Left repeated it Hekate Dec 2016 #60

Who the fuck is telling Hillary she can't go forward? Let me guess...a white man? nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #9

Someone with foresight? Begabig Dec 2016 #11

What if concrete Jesus had been substituted for Trump? GeorgeGist Dec 2016 #10

What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub? FSogol Dec 2016 #12

that's a useless question NRQ891 Dec 2016 #18

Love this one. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #38

who exactly would tell her this? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #13

Someone with a crystal ball that knows she would go on to lose... Begabig Dec 2016 #15

President Obama TSIAS Dec 2016 #40

what the president did was exactly the opposite, he encouraged Hillary to run La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #45

Any thought on Biden running in 2020? ALBliberal Dec 2016 #14

Maybe but I suspect his window had passed by... Begabig Dec 2016 #16

I would support him, LP2K12 Dec 2016 #19

He's a vigorous 70+ guy..so smart and savvy ALBliberal Dec 2016 #31

The blue wall would have held BigBadDem Dec 2016 #17

Biden would have won in a landslide. Joe941 Dec 2016 #20

I don't actually think so...had Bernie run in the primary against Biden who voted for the war Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #66

Biden would be President Elect right now.. nt Raine Dec 2016 #21

Who do you think had the right to tell Hillary she can't go forward? LisaL Dec 2016 #22

I think you're missing the point... Begabig Dec 2016 #37

Nobody had to tell Hillary anything. LisaL Dec 2016 #41

Maybe... Begabig Dec 2016 #44

It would still be close because I don't think he would get out of the primary/general unscathed. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #23

He'd get a pass on his Iraq vote, unlike Hillary, who was continually crucified for hers. grossproffit Dec 2016 #24

+1 Skid Rogue Dec 2016 #26

What if fairies are real and all we have to do is clap our hands and believe? rzemanfl Dec 2016 #30

BETTER: What if Biden had been swapped for Kaine early? (nt) Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #33

No change... Begabig Dec 2016 #36

What if....... calguy Dec 2016 #34

Hillary, too, had favorable ratings when she wasn't running Orangepeel Dec 2016 #39

and we are very good at killing our own candidate with right wing propoganda La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47

Sadly true Hekate Dec 2016 #61

If my..... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #46

If wishes and buts were clusters of nuts, we'd all have a bowl of granola. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #48

He could have won but he also has a habit of saying things he shouldn't but... hrmjustin Dec 2016 #51

This election season? Begabig Dec 2016 #56

Yes this season! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #57

I hate autocorrect too. I had to turn it off. Hekate Dec 2016 #62

He would have done better in PA and the Rust Belt speaktruthtopower Dec 2016 #52

How many times has the same Party won three Presidential elections guillaumeb Dec 2016 #53

Wouldn't have helped. Biden has as many vulnerabilities as Hillary Ken Burch Dec 2016 #54

You know what they say about ASSumptions.By the way, Hillary WON the primary by millions of votes Hekate Dec 2016 #55

Among a whopping TWO serious candidates.... Begabig Dec 2016 #59

We Dems had several serious candidates, two of whom generated excitement and cash. Hekate Dec 2016 #63

He wouldn't have been running against Trump. noamnety Dec 2016 #58

You don't tell people they can or can't run...and Biden's kid was dying. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #64