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Ford_Prefect

(8,202 posts)
54. I think to some extent the outcome hinges on how many votes are found and where, and
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:09 AM
Nov 2016

why were they counted "wrong" in the original tally reported. If there is evidence of criminal activity, or of "adjusted" counts it will also depend on at what level and in what ways the vote was "adjusted" in favor of Trump, and presumably the GOP Senate seats.

Each state will have to account for that. It is both a state and federal crime to interfere with the elections. That may allow some federal response.

The right wing zealots will not approve of any of it since they already believe Obama is not their president and his administration is full of criminals. Whether they take action on the ground is another matter, though if Trump stirs them up it is more likely. If it is clear that the numbers found on the ground dispute the previous tallies there are mechanisms which address this. If the states in question refuse to accept it that is the point of ignition.

It will very much depend on how involved the GOP in those states was in the cooking of the numbers. I suspect they had far more to do with it than the Russians could have. I suspect they have a great deal to protect and will do anything and everything they can to derail a correct count.

I have seen trucks in the street with a huge black "Don't Tread On Me" waving behind it. It resembles the pictures of the ISIS flags on the news and it gave me a very distinct chill when one drove through the lot at my favorite restaurant. My gut reaction was to consider burning it on sight. That reaction is what all this depends on.

They have been told that "we" are the enemy, and they believe it. We are not their enemy. An enemy is someone you kill to make sure you are safe. While it may be necessary to defend against their acting out of fear they are not someone I believe needs to die.

If we also act out of fear then we will lose. The only successful response to fear is the truth.

Fuck 'em. nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #1
Fuck em. Cary Nov 2016 #27
Exactly, who gives a f**k still_one Nov 2016 #30
So be it! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #42
Exactly! billh58 Nov 2016 #64
Yep. Fuck them. bravenak Nov 2016 #101
I think the recount isn't going to change anything. BUT... Skinner Nov 2016 #2
Every day they need to be told that 64 million of us don't want them Cary Nov 2016 #29
Exactly! hamsterjill Nov 2016 #65
Exactly! Abouttime Nov 2016 #89
I agree about not changing anything NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #98
His winning has already inspired racial hatred. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #3
exactly. barbtries Nov 2016 #12
its not up to us rtracey Nov 2016 #40
The machine where I voted... Blanks Nov 2016 #79
well rtracey Nov 2016 #88
Most definately, YES. It will be worth it. bitterross Nov 2016 #4
We NEED to know if we were hacked.. and that is why I support the recount(s). secondwind Nov 2016 #5
me, too we already know we WERE hacked (Comey statement a week before election) wordpix Nov 2016 #19
Is this post meant to depress enthusiasm for the recount, and democracy? Augiedog Nov 2016 #6
Yes, it really is a subtle right-wing talking point bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #9
Of course it's worth it. Since 1865, the score so far is UNITED states 1, white racist secessionists 0 FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #7
The tree of liberty must be refreshed HAB911 Nov 2016 #8
Second Amendment "Solution" billh58 Nov 2016 #72
Statement by Thomas Jefferson HAB911 Nov 2016 #73
Yeah, that's the ticket, billh58 Nov 2016 #75
LOL! n/t HAB911 Nov 2016 #78
What makes you think the national guard would be on our side? Amishman Nov 2016 #90
Having been in the military, I am billh58 Nov 2016 #92
Good points, I hope you're right Amishman Nov 2016 #99
Hell yes it will be worth it! DFW Nov 2016 #10
I'm not worried, because the recount isn't going to change anything. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #11
You never know. Greg Palist said there is a good chance in Wisconsin and Michigan womanofthehills Nov 2016 #110
I support the recount, but even if by some long shot it flips three states and changes lutherj Nov 2016 #13
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN Cosmocat Nov 2016 #17
Except for 1 small fact watoos Nov 2016 #22
Generally my point stands Cosmocat Nov 2016 #34
Worth it and Necessary. aintitfunny Nov 2016 #14
Bring it on Botany Nov 2016 #15
Is it worth seeing this country taken over by a 2nd Hitler? Stellar Nov 2016 #16
me, too - we are called on to defend and protect if it comes to that wordpix Nov 2016 #20
The country is headed down a very dark path. Fuck the bullies, we'll have the recount. If they RKP5637 Nov 2016 #46
"BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY" heaven05 Nov 2016 #66
Yes it will. downeastdaniel Nov 2016 #18
At least there'll be a good soundtrack. johnp3907 Nov 2016 #21
What the hell... a Seven Nation Army couldn't hold us back. ancianita Nov 2016 #107
Might as well get it over kacekwl Nov 2016 #23
Civil war? White riots? OldRedneck Nov 2016 #24
Trump, has created so much tension in this country, in fact world tension, that it's RKP5637 Nov 2016 #47
I expect the same and I'm sure that Obama does as well, which is why he has downplayed it all lostnfound Nov 2016 #25
Walker Brigade enid602 Nov 2016 #26
For myself atreides1 Nov 2016 #28
White racists taking on the largest army in the free world? Bring it on. Initech Nov 2016 #31
That's easy for a lot of you guys to say Coolest Ranger Nov 2016 #32
Then what are you suggesting? LisaL Nov 2016 #37
yep, glad my non white ass is in London if that shit hits the fan Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #41
Because Liberalagogo Nov 2016 #48
That, is an excellent point!!!!! Trump has unleashed so much hatred in this country. He truly RKP5637 Nov 2016 #49
Yes hurple Nov 2016 #33
Yes. We must have honesty or we have no democracy. nt Chalco Nov 2016 #35
Fuck It...Let the place burn... HipChick Nov 2016 #36
Bully Twitter Twat face. LOL lonestarnot Nov 2016 #44
I wonder if Trump even comprehends the world is laughing at him and thinks he's RKP5637 Nov 2016 #50
Every Nation leader knows how to get under his skin.. HipChick Nov 2016 #58
Yep, he's easily manipulated! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #61
Weak, Naive HipChick Nov 2016 #63
You over rated the problem.... beachbum bob Nov 2016 #38
I want the recount, regardless of right-wing outrage and violence. Paladin Nov 2016 #39
Idle threats against democracy. Face that challenge if and when it happens. So yes worth it. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #43
Uncharted Waters To Be Sure colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #45
Truth is always worth it! UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #51
DU is a very strange place right now... fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #52
Yeah....... PufPuf23 Nov 2016 #56
If recounts are conducted in a legal, transparent manner RandySF Nov 2016 #53
I think to some extent the outcome hinges on how many votes are found and where, and Ford_Prefect Nov 2016 #54
How will we, really, be able to tell? astral Nov 2016 #86
There are many points at which the vote can be modified to suit a preferred result. Ford_Prefect Nov 2016 #94
Your concern... Is duly noted... nt Xipe Totec Nov 2016 #55
No shit! Dem2 Nov 2016 #70
Are you a Trump supporter? INdemo Nov 2016 #57
They'd all arrive bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #59
Yes. Just yes. BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #60
The threat of white violence over voting is hype. Don't believe the hype. Check the source, too. ancianita Nov 2016 #62
Let them bring it. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #67
We need to fight back. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #68
if his 'victory' is overthrown heaven05 Nov 2016 #69
i hope your great expectations are not met lunasun Nov 2016 #71
It could also lead to the *actual* winner being sworn in. What's he so worried about? Nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #74
The US is actually much more stable than we give it credit for Red Oak Nov 2016 #76
Riot away bitches MFM008 Nov 2016 #77
Bring it. Lifelong Protester Nov 2016 #80
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #81
Keeping the population in fear... Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #82
bs--A few crazies will try something and go to prison. Hate crimes have monumentally increased anamandujano Nov 2016 #83
They think heaven05 Nov 2016 #84
They'll probably have a hard time getting off the couch. nt MADem Nov 2016 #85
Red state deplorables need to get educated before doing anything. oasis Nov 2016 #87
oh, so the threat of racist DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #91
I could almost guarantee nothing would happen. Oneironaut Nov 2016 #93
Some people are scared of their own shadow. LisaL Nov 2016 #97
If the results were overturned, yes. And it would call into question every election result. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #95
I don't think it's worth it lonestar511 Nov 2016 #96
It would be interesting if the west coast states formed a coalition to take on Trump. avebury Nov 2016 #100
Look up CalExit moda253 Nov 2016 #113
I hope they enjoy rioting bravenak Nov 2016 #102
Bring it on. It will be interesting to see if the police show up like they did in Ferguson. nt jalan48 Nov 2016 #103
Oh no! That would just be too scary! Chemisse Nov 2016 #104
Is it your framing that someone promoting a recount will be responsible for that? bigmonkey Nov 2016 #105
Your concern is noted, Mr. 59 posts Blue_Tires Nov 2016 #106
... haha ... yeah... ancianita Nov 2016 #108
Tell them to bring it. n/t Different Drummer Nov 2016 #109
Recounts may become an excuse, but not the reason. n/t Orsino Nov 2016 #111
Yes. Please don't threaten us with violence to dissuade Democracy LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #112
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