Recount could lead to civil war/white riots...

[djsunyc]

trump already has riled up his base prior to the election to look out for voter fraud.

now his tweets are inciting them again.

if this recount actually happens and if by 0.00001% chance it changes the outcome, i fully expect a civil war and many white riots and racial crimes to be committed.

americans are not to be trusted to act civilized.

will it be worth it?

[LexVegas]

1. Fuck 'em. nt

[Cary]

27. Fuck em.

[still_one]

30. Exactly, who gives a f**k

[Madam45for2923]

42. So be it!

[billh58]

64. Exactly!

TrumpenTrolls saturated social media with fake "news" and innuendo prior to the election, and now it appears that they will continue their efforts in support of a very sick and weak racist "leader."

[bravenak]

101. Yep. Fuck them.

[Skinner]

2. I think the recount isn't going to change anything. BUT...

...fear of a violent backlash is the worst reason not to do it.

[Cary]

29. Every day they need to be told that 64 million of us don't want them

[hamsterjill]

65. Exactly!

Like you, I seriously doubt that anything will change, but the process is going to prove important to have undertaken.

And...if it messes a little with Trump's head, how could anyone object? LOL

[Abouttime]

89. Exactly!

We need to be brave, this is a fight for the future of our country. We must do everything possible to keep Trump out of the White House, we must bring the country to a grinding halt if necessary.

[NastyRiffraff]

98. I agree about not changing anything

but the recount still should be done, if only to validate (or not) our election systems for the future. I do think there will be :cough: miscounted :cough: votes found, though, favoring Dump. Wisconsin has already found 5,000 of them on its own.

[Starry Messenger]

3. His winning has already inspired racial hatred.

1000 incidents of hate based activity. We are supposed to roll over and ignore that?

[barbtries]

12. exactly.

they can't even win in a civilized manner.

[rtracey]

40. its not up to us

SORRY BUT, we have very little voice to do anything about it. You see the results of this election. The election was a Russian hack fraud, that unfortunately a recount will do very little. Racial tension, well, we can protest, but can we? Did you see what happened to non protestors with different color skin at the Fuckump rallies? Their constitutional rights were tossed like the wet dishrag he is. It is up to our elected official who are actually democrats and not these shit stain DINOs, but true democrats to counteract these right wing alt/right pricks.

1. I want to propose paper ballots only for elections, electronic can be hacked and frauded to easily.
2. I want to propose an independent republican and democrat be present at counting of all ballots.
3. I want to propose any family member running for office, any part of their family CANNOT own, work for, contribute to, etc any aspect of vote counting machinery companies or affiliates of these companies.

[Blanks]

79. The machine where I voted...

Had a printout that I could see. It was like a cash register receipt. I could see it behind plexiglass. I could not touch it.

So, while the votes were, no doubt, tallied electronically there was also a recording of the vote, that could be verified afterward.

I early voted. In years past when I've voted at the regular place, they have paper ballots.

I'd like to see everyone go to this machine with a paper trail method, and a huge push for more early voting so only the people who hadn't voted on Election Day's votes are counted on Election Day.

We need changes, I'm not sure I agree with all of your recommendations.

[rtracey]

88. well

Well we all have opinions, machines that keep a paper trail would be ok with me. Transparency is the key... Sorry, but no one who is running should have a family member own a company that make ballot machines, and independent accountability will keep elections fair.

[bitterross]

4. Most definately, YES. It will be worth it.

If it comes to defending the integrity of our country and our vote then, YES!

Show me where to sign up to defend the people doing the recount.

[secondwind]

5. We NEED to know if we were hacked.. and that is why I support the recount(s).

[wordpix]

19. me, too we already know we WERE hacked (Comey statement a week before election)

[Augiedog]

6. Is this post meant to depress enthusiasm for the recount, and democracy?

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Yes, it really is a subtle right-wing talking point

in my view

always skeptical of newbies floating duality - they are suddenly here
for a reason

[FailureToCommunicate]

7. Of course it's worth it. Since 1865, the score so far is UNITED states 1, white racist secessionists 0

I'll take those odds.

[HAB911]

8. The tree of liberty must be refreshed

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

[billh58]

72. Second Amendment "Solution"

motto from the right-wing?

[HAB911]

73. Statement by Thomas Jefferson

If any rightwingnuts think liberals are not armed they are as stupid as we all think they are. /

[billh58]

75. Yeah, that's the ticket,

clamor for a defacto war and the killing of more US citizens. Sounds just like the Trumpsters and their bigoted, racist, ignorant bunch. And you believe that we should take their bait and respond in kind?

Only the Congress can declare war, and anything else would be sedition and treason. We have the National Guard to take care of civil disobedience.

[HAB911]

78. LOL! n/t

[Amishman]

90. What makes you think the national guard would be on our side?

I've always assumed that since most active military and veterans lean right, they would not be of any help if it came to bloodshed

[billh58]

92. Having been in the military, I am

confident that military members (of any branch) would follow orders, and be loyal to their leaders. If not, our democracy is a sham. The right-wing claim that the Second Amendment was written to facilitate the overthrow of our government is pure bullshit, amounts to sedition, and is unconstitutional.

Lastly, who would make the decision to overthrow our government? Billy Bob Sixpack from the Defenders of the Ozarks?

[Amishman]

99. Good points, I hope you're right

Wish I had your confidence.

[DFW]

10. Hell yes it will be worth it!

Either our elections are legitimate or they're not. If they're not, and we let them continue to be fraudulent to avoid Republican riots, then we deserve the Stalinist regime we're looking at with Trump now.

Keep in mind also, that Republicans are largely cowards. They like to invade places like Panama and Grenada. They do not like to fight with places that will shoot back (Iraq was a major miscalculation), which is why they never attacked Iran under Cheneybush, and will not do it under Trumppence. Cowardly snipers hidden in some abandoned building with broken windows, maybe, but white riots will dissipate when the first large well-equipped SWAT team shows up and yells "BOO!"

[Travis_0004]

11. I'm not worried, because the recount isn't going to change anything.

[womanofthehills]

110. You never know. Greg Palist said there is a good chance in Wisconsin and Michigan

They must know something..

[lutherj]

13. I support the recount, but even if by some long shot it flips three states and changes

the outcome, the states' votes can be challenged by congress. On January 6th the electoral votes are delivered to a joint session of congress. All it takes is for one senator and one house representative to agree to challenge the votes from any particular state. Then the joint session can vote up or down. Republicans would grandstand and claim that the votes from these recounts are compromised and tainted, and since they have the majority in both chambers, reject them. If no candidate receives 270 electoral votes, then the house chooses the President, and the senate the Vice President. There's no way the house republicans are going to allow Hilary Clinton into the White House.

[Cosmocat]

17. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN

if some some miracle there where actual recounts, by some miracle there in fact would be more Hillary votes than Trump vote in all three states and by some miracle they got correctly tabulated that way, Rs have enough power in congress and will, 100 percent prevent the recount from changing the outcome.

AND, given that this country has been perfectly fine with Russia blatantly tipping the scales of our election to Trump, the country will absolutely be fine with the Rs doing this.

[watoos]

22. Except for 1 small fact

Some states have already certified their votes, like Florida. I don't believe that Wisconsin, Michigan and Pa. have certified their votes yet. I am no expert but it would seem to me that those 3 states have yet to certify their vote count. It isn't up to Congress to decide who won in a particular state. If an audit shows that Hillary won instead of Trump in those 3 states (unlikely) it's up to them to certify who won. Hold onto your bingo card granny the bingo game is about to begin.

[Cosmocat]

34. Generally my point stands

Whatever states certify, there are going to be ass hole republicans in the mix. You think scott walker and the other rs in wisky are going to let it go any way other than Trump?

[aintitfunny]

14. Worth it and Necessary.

Trump morons will likely burn themselves with their torches.

[Botany]

15. Bring it on

Trump needs stopped

[Stellar]

16. Is it worth seeing this country taken over by a 2nd Hitler?

...or should we continue to run scared and give the bullies everything that they want.

I say that we should fight for our rights.

[wordpix]

20. me, too - we are called on to defend and protect if it comes to that

[RKP5637]

46. The country is headed down a very dark path. Fuck the bullies, we'll have the recount. If they

can't handle that, well just too bad.

[heaven05]

66. "BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"

he is still one of my heroes. Yeah won't be another Rosewood or "red summer of 1919 where there were race riots in 26 cites and localized genocidal racists killed and destroyed black lives and property. Yep the racists want to kill blacks and others. Ain't going to be that easy.

[downeastdaniel]

18. Yes it will.

[johnp3907]

21. At least there'll be a good soundtrack.

https://m.

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[ancianita]

107. What the hell... a Seven Nation Army couldn't hold us back.

[kacekwl]

23. Might as well get it over

with now. It's going to happen sooner or later with Trump in office and Fox news stirring the pot.

[OldRedneck]

24. Civil war? White riots?

Bring it on!!

I picked up another 400 rounds for my AR15 and three dozen 12-qa shotgun rounds last Saturday.


Bring it on!!

[RKP5637]

47. Trump, has created so much tension in this country, in fact world tension, that it's

hard to predict what will happen. But my guess is, it won't be good.

[lostnfound]

25. I expect the same and I'm sure that Obama does as well, which is why he has downplayed it all

Some of the trumpians will turn violent regardless.

If the choice was between a duly elected Trump and a hacked election that gave us Clinton, I'd swallow hard and pick the first. But that isn't the choice. We had an election with massive voter suppression for sure, and possible hacking. Taking away the vote is a crime as egregious as violent assault.

[enid602]

26. Walker Brigade

Makes me flash back to SNL past: 'The Walker Brigade.'

[atreides1]

28. For myself

It'll be a refreshing scene to watch white racists being hit with tear gas and shot with rubber bullets!!!

Maybe they might even learn something!!!

[Initech]

31. White racists taking on the largest army in the free world? Bring it on.

That would be a very short and one sided war.

[Coolest Ranger]

32. That's easy for a lot of you guys to say

when you won't be the target of their attacks like those of us of color

[LisaL]

37. Then what are you suggesting?

[Grey Lemercier]

41. yep, glad my non white ass is in London if that shit hits the fan

[Liberalagogo]

48. Because

it's ALL about YOU.

[RKP5637]

49. That, is an excellent point!!!!! Trump has unleashed so much hatred in this country. He truly

is the leader of the white nationalist movement, alt-right. Trump, is a disgusting person, truly evil and disgusting.

[hurple]

33. Yes

It will be.

[Chalco]

35. Yes. We must have honesty or we have no democracy. nt

[HipChick]

36. Fuck It...Let the place burn...

I'm already tired of Bully Twitter Twat face

[lonestarnot]

44. Bully Twitter Twat face. LOL

[RKP5637]

50. I wonder if Trump even comprehends the world is laughing at him and thinks he's

a damn fool, and not a very smart one at that.

[HipChick]

58. Every Nation leader knows how to get under his skin..

[RKP5637]

61. Yep, he's easily manipulated! n/t

[HipChick]

63. Weak, Naive

are not descriptors for a US President

[beachbum bob]

38. You over rated the problem....

[Paladin]

39. I want the recount, regardless of right-wing outrage and violence.

Fuck Trump and his idiotic voting base.

[lonestarnot]

43. Idle threats against democracy. Face that challenge if and when it happens. So yes worth it.

[colsohlibgal]

45. Uncharted Waters To Be Sure

Civil unrest will be a given against Trump going forward, unless the audit shows HRC won those 3 states. At that point the crazy alt right base will go even more nuts than they are now and we may well see Civil War 2.

If this stands and an adult with the maturity of a petulant 13 year old is installed we will be closer to jumping the shark than ever. And the non mouth foamers who voted for him will quickly regret doing that.

I do not see a sane way forward. Of course if you look at history things change, sometimes drastically.

[UCmeNdc]

51. Truth is always worth it!

Once you let a corrupt leader have his corruption then you can never get belief in the system back.

Trump has already damaged the United States with his ability to corrupt anything he touches.

[fleabiscuit]

52. DU is a very strange place right now...

[PufPuf23]

56. Yeah.......

Disappointing.

[RandySF]

53. If recounts are conducted in a legal, transparent manner

And the Trumpsters decide to riot, they can exercise their white priveledge in the criminal justice system.

[Ford_Prefect]

54. I think to some extent the outcome hinges on how many votes are found and where, and

why were they counted "wrong" in the original tally reported. If there is evidence of criminal activity, or of "adjusted" counts it will also depend on at what level and in what ways the vote was "adjusted" in favor of Trump, and presumably the GOP Senate seats.

Each state will have to account for that. It is both a state and federal crime to interfere with the elections. That may allow some federal response.

The right wing zealots will not approve of any of it since they already believe Obama is not their president and his administration is full of criminals. Whether they take action on the ground is another matter, though if Trump stirs them up it is more likely. If it is clear that the numbers found on the ground dispute the previous tallies there are mechanisms which address this. If the states in question refuse to accept it that is the point of ignition.

It will very much depend on how involved the GOP in those states was in the cooking of the numbers. I suspect they had far more to do with it than the Russians could have. I suspect they have a great deal to protect and will do anything and everything they can to derail a correct count.

I have seen trucks in the street with a huge black "Don't Tread On Me" waving behind it. It resembles the pictures of the ISIS flags on the news and it gave me a very distinct chill when one drove through the lot at my favorite restaurant. My gut reaction was to consider burning it on sight. That reaction is what all this depends on.

They have been told that "we" are the enemy, and they believe it. We are not their enemy. An enemy is someone you kill to make sure you are safe. While it may be necessary to defend against their acting out of fear they are not someone I believe needs to die.

If we also act out of fear then we will lose. The only successful response to fear is the truth.

[astral]

86. How will we, really, be able to tell?

The term 'adjusted' votes is new to me. How can a re-count be able to discern whether that happened?

[Ford_Prefect]

94. There are many points at which the vote can be modified to suit a preferred result.

"Adjusted" is my sarcasm for those processes.

In North Carolina we have paper ballots that are scanned as they go into the bin that holds them. The scanner produces a paper readout of the results. The scanners can be programmed to flip votes as they are read but can't alter the paper ballots. Such programming can be buried in the ballot layout code that determines how the ballots are read. It can also self-delete after a certain date, time or number of runs. This much has been proven possible. We do not yet know if that is what happened to the NC vote or not. The vote counts can also be modified at several points along the way to the tabulator, as has happened in Ohio.

One outstanding difference that suggests the vote in NC needs review and recounting is that the voting numbers for US senate and President don't come close to matching those for either Governor or Supreme Court Justice. In a state where party loyalty is strong and where those two positions were fought over so intensely it is highly unlikely that those numbers would vary as much as they do. It would also mean that in certain locations Democratic voters would have had to vote Republican in numbers that make no sense given the strong feelings about the Fool of a Governor and the Racist Republican Justice.

A hand recount or even a machine recount would likely show that there are discrepancies in the original count as reported.

[Xipe Totec]

55. Your concern... Is duly noted... nt

[Dem2]

70. No shit!

Could this be any more obvious?

[INdemo]

57. Are you a Trump supporter?

The National Guard will be called out to calm things...you can bet on that.

[bucolic_frolic]

59. They'd all arrive

in their dirty T's and SUV's

What a traffic jam

[BlueMTexpat]

60. Yes. Just yes.

[ancianita]

62. The threat of white violence over voting is hype. Don't believe the hype. Check the source, too.

[hamsterjill]

67. Let them bring it.

It's inevitable anyway at this point. The minute that the base doesn't get its way from this point forward, the threat of violence is always going to be there.

So, let them bring it. Might as well be now and get it over with.

[Baitball Blogger]

68. We need to fight back.

If we yield now, they have a pattern they can repeat.

[heaven05]

69. if his 'victory' is overthrown

and the genocidal racist that runs this country now unleashes his "storm troopers" on PoC, Muslims, immigrants, uppity women, Jewish people, yes with bannon/goebbels spreading the propaganda, even with trumps Jewish son in law, Jewish people will still be at risk.

Yet one thing is guaranteed, no more Rosewoods or "Red Summers", or 1906 atlanta(reason:black men allegedly assaulting white women), 1917 E. St. Louis,(reason: it was RUMORED that a black man killed a white man-200 black people killed, many homes burned, Tulsa-Greenwood section-1921- one of the wealthiest black communities(known among blacks as "the Black Wall Street" in ameriKKKa at the time really pissed off the local genocidal leaders, so a woman claimed that a black man grabbed her arm in an elevator and genocide ensued. Shooting started and by the time the national guard put down the black people protecting themselves--6000 black people in prison, 300 dead. 26 white people dead and on and on it has gone in this genocidal nation of racists for generations. Fuck them goddamn trumptroopers--let em come. I may go down, but I'm going to do my best to take some with me. I am sick of this racist ameriKKKan-KKKhristian bullshit-- Infoplease.com--race riots- is a source for this--don't take my word for it.

[lunasun]

71. i hope your great expectations are not met

Yes to your question and and what makes you think there will not be worse racial crimes if his reign continues ?

[LaydeeBug]

74. It could also lead to the *actual* winner being sworn in. What's he so worried about? Nt

[Red Oak]

76. The US is actually much more stable than we give it credit for

If Hillary wins by recount there would be a bunch of pissed off people on the right, and the blogosphere would go ape shit, but there would not be any riots and life would go on.

Whoever ends up winning this election better take care of the 99% and not focus on fat cat CEOs, Wall Street and tax reduction for the wealthy. The election in four years will get ugly for the party in power.

[MFM008]

77. Riot away bitches

........

[Lifelong Protester]

80. Bring it.

[Else You Are Mad]

82. Keeping the population in fear...

Is the number one tool of a dictator. No, being afraid should not keep us from doing what is right.

[anamandujano]

83. bs--A few crazies will try something and go to prison. Hate crimes have monumentally increased

since his bigots have been emboldened by his rhetoric. If these hate crimes can be reduced by a switch, it will more than balance out the nuts who listen to Trump. Again, these nuts do not consider that he will not have their backs, will not bail them out or fund a lawyer to help with their travails.

[heaven05]

84. They think

because he said he would pay the bail of those attacking anti-trumpfurer protesters that they got their free pass. Bunch of dangerous idiots and there is nothing worse than that in my book.

[MADem]

85. They'll probably have a hard time getting off the couch. nt

[oasis]

87. Red state deplorables need to get educated before doing anything.

Those dumbfucks need to wake up and smell the damn coffee.

[DemonGoddess]

91. oh, so the threat of racist

violence is a reason to stop any recounts? Don't think so. If they threaten with THAT, it just proves our point, doesn't it? We cannot cave in to threats.

[Oneironaut]

93. I could almost guarantee nothing would happen.

The "ZOMG Civil War!!!!" statement has been brought out for every event as of late, probably including Jeb Bush stubbing his toe. In reality, nothing is really going to change. The recount thing is wishful thinking anyways.

[LisaL]

97. Some people are scared of their own shadow.

First of all, there is nothing unusual about recounts.
I am not sure why someone is going to civil war over recounts. And there is pretty much no chance recounts will actually overturn the election.

[Garrett78]

95. If the results were overturned, yes. And it would call into question every election result.

It would be absolute chaos. The powers that be won't allow it.

[lonestar511]

96. I don't think it's worth it

I dislike the racist rednecks that voted Trump in as much as anyone here. The fact that Trump is now the president elect disgusts me.

On the topic of civil war, aren't all of these imbred Trump supporters the ones that hoard guns and ammunition?

I don't own a firearm, and I never will. I don't want to fight a gaggle of rednecks with 87 guns apiece. They could shoot me, and there's not much I could do about it. I'd call the police, so they could take the report afterward, but I'd still be dead. I really don't want that.

[avebury]

100. It would be interesting if the west coast states formed a coalition to take on Trump.

It could be very viable if they chose to secede and form their own union. Imagine Trump losing Silicon Valley and all the high tech companies and all of the west coast ports.

It would be interesting if the New England States and NY formed another colalition taking with them the New York Stock Exchange, the UN and the Statue of Liberty while putting Trump Tower in another country.

I am no longer convinced that the USA needs to stay United.

[moda253]

113. Look up CalExit

[bravenak]

102. I hope they enjoy rioting

It will be fun too see if they get called thugs and shit or just oppressed victims of evil democrats

[jalan48]

103. Bring it on. It will be interesting to see if the police show up like they did in Ferguson. nt

[Chemisse]

104. Oh no! That would just be too scary!

It's so much better to be ruled by a racist madman.

[bigmonkey]

105. Is it your framing that someone promoting a recount will be responsible for that?

That the people who might actually do it need to be deferred to as a result? That gradient is a very negative one, leading to naked intimidation as a de-facto system. Where would it stop?

[Blue_Tires]

106. Your concern is noted, Mr. 59 posts

[ancianita]

108. ... haha ... yeah...

[Different Drummer]

109. Tell them to bring it. n/t

[Orsino]

111. Recounts may become an excuse, but not the reason. n/t

[LaydeeBug]

112. Yes. Please don't threaten us with violence to dissuade Democracy

The republic spills blood from time to time. Those who would not offer theirs don't deserve to be here.