2016 Postmortem

OnDoutside

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7. It's perception. We've had the same problem here in Ireland, where the last government dragged the

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:25 AM

Nov 2016

country back from being bust and having to report to the Troika of the IMF, EU and ECB. Even though the ship had been righted, many people hadn't yet felt the impact of the upturn, and severely punished that Government. The parallels with you over there in the US is striking (and even with Brexit in the UK). People feel angry but don't know what they are angry at.

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Toni Morrison: Fear of losing white privilege led to Trump's election. [View all] pnwmom Nov 2016 OP

White MALE privelege apcalc Nov 2016 #1

White women have more privilege than black women -- and the majority of white women pnwmom Nov 2016 #2

Certainly no more than white men have over black men whathehell Nov 2016 #14

White women do NOT have "privilege"--I hate to remind you of it. duffyduff Nov 2016 #37

They do compared to black women. They make more money than black women pnwmom Nov 2016 #44

Both of those issues are generally under the control of white men.. whathehell Nov 2016 #69

So? White women still benefit from white privilege. They don't benefit pnwmom Nov 2016 #72

No more than black women benefit from black MALE privilege.. whathehell Nov 2016 #75

Black male privilege is less than white male privilege. pnwmom Nov 2016 #80

Yes, we all know that.. whathehell Nov 2016 #81

That's what you're getting wrong. Acknowledging white privilege pnwmom Nov 2016 #82

Who on this site is not acknowledging it? whathehell Nov 2016 #83

Have to disagree. moriah Nov 2016 #45

I thought only half did TrekLuver Nov 2016 #46

53% of white women voted for the treestar Nov 2016 #73

Actually, Trump got a lot of votes from women. Couldn't have won without them. Nitram Nov 2016 #19

I'm sorry, but whathehell Nov 2016 #25

I'm afraid only racists and bigots, no matter how uncoscious those motivations may be, would vote Nitram Nov 2016 #29

How would you explain whathehell Nov 2016 #31

Many racists tell themselves they are not racist. What better way to "prove" to themselves and Nitram Nov 2016 #56

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stretch.. whathehell Nov 2016 #57

The fear of terrorism itself was employed in the service of racism and xenophobia. Nitram Nov 2016 #59

To an extent, but that whathehell Nov 2016 #60

To deny refugee status to carefully vetted Syrians and other Moslems because they might be... Nitram Nov 2016 #66

While racism is clearly the one element in this election that's captured whathehell Nov 2016 #68

I'm not suggesting the it is simple, or that race is the only factor. Nitram Nov 2016 #71

I believe all of us carry some "unconscious" racism, but I disagree whathehell Nov 2016 #79

After the bush presidency katsy Nov 2016 #78

Go ahead and believe sexism doesn't exist. Just who was HRC? A woman. duffyduff Nov 2016 #38

Trump got more votes from blacks & Hispanics than Romney whathehell Nov 2016 #76

Heterosexual White Male Privilage... TrishaJ Nov 2016 #22

Sorry, but it's WHITE PRIVILEGE. Please don't deflect from what Morrison is saying. chimpymustgo Nov 2016 #49

Sorry, but not all of us believe that whathehell Nov 2016 #53

"The threat is frightening." BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #3

I don't accept this premise. It was the economy predominantly, and depressed Dem turnout. OnDoutside Nov 2016 #4

Its easier for me to accept when the UE rate in WI or MI is in the 4s and voter suppression uponit7771 Nov 2016 #5

It's perception. We've had the same problem here in Ireland, where the last government dragged the OnDoutside Nov 2016 #7

"People feel angry but don't know what they are angry at." ... hmmmm, this sounds like uponit7771 Nov 2016 #8

Yes and the fringes of the political spectrum are taking advantage. If there is a lesson, it is that OnDoutside Nov 2016 #10

"full metal jacket" ... AMEN too that uponit7771 Nov 2016 #11

the depressed dem turnout is proving to be untrue La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #20

The economy was only a smokescreen for many people who are not doing very badly at all. Nitram Nov 2016 #30

Not in the Rust Belt. This is the exact same problem as here in Ireland in last February's General OnDoutside Nov 2016 #36

So they bought Trump's promise to open all the factories again? Nitram Nov 2016 #58

Not necessarily. Many might have jobs again, but income isn't what it was 10/15 years ago. They OnDoutside Nov 2016 #64

Exactly. Magical thinking is what passes for political thought in some quarters. Nitram Nov 2016 #67

Absolutely true. It can't be a coincidence though that there is such a public OnDoutside Nov 2016 #70

That's only your opinion... whathehell Nov 2016 #77

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #6

Rapidly diversifying, crime on the rise again, "law and order", terrorism, loss of jobs, jmg257 Nov 2016 #9

I'd guess that fear of 'crime on the rise again, terrorism and loss of jobs' are not whathehell Nov 2016 #15

Yep. Id agree with that. jmg257 Nov 2016 #16

But I thought it was about WALL STREET! And TRADE! And the MINIMUM WAGE! (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #12

And the threat is real. White only dominance of the world is rapidly coming to an end. Yavin4 Nov 2016 #13

Many of the same people who voted for Trump, voted for Obama in 2012 whathehell Nov 2016 #17

Where is your evidence for that? She's getting very close to the same number of votes pnwmom Nov 2016 #21

Here you go.. whathehell Nov 2016 #24

That looks anecdotal to me. But your nytimes link contains this interesting point: pnwmom Nov 2016 #32

That is it. People still haven't grown up. Women have headed governments for CENTURIES, duffyduff Nov 2016 #39

No...You need to open the links and read them.. whathehell Nov 2016 #54

Is there proof of that? treestar Nov 2016 #74

Toni Morrison is right. The backlash has been quite a while coming but Trump... Nitram Nov 2016 #18

The riots in Ferguson, Oakland, etc. contributed to the fear as well. jalan48 Nov 2016 #23

Inagree cilla4progress Nov 2016 #26

Amen to that. When folks have nothing, they cling to the illusion of "something" McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #27

. . . treestar Nov 2016 #34

A good number of white men I have talked with backed Trump as they believed ... spin Nov 2016 #28

Your Hillary-trashing is not appreciated and has little basis in fact. duffyduff Nov 2016 #40

You're probably the only person in American that doesn't think Obama is charismatic. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #41

Agreed..I heard him speak in a small room before he ran for president.. whathehell Nov 2016 #62

I agree, white male privilege MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #33

K&R! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2016 #35

So why did Trump get MORE of the Latino vote than Romney? (Who actually has family ties to Mexico) Coventina Nov 2016 #42

Vote suppression, for one thing. The voting rights act was dismantled in 2013, pnwmom Nov 2016 #48

He also got twice as many black votes than Romney. nt 7962 Nov 2016 #85

I'm sure more talk of white privilege is going to help the party win elections in the future. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #43

Oh, yeah... more of that winning strategy, please! SMC22307 Nov 2016 #50

If this is what you think, 2020 isn't going to be any better... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #47

Progress delayed Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #51

K & R nt TeamPooka Nov 2016 #52

Rehashed outrage-bait version 764847362. I wish the blogsphere was as tired of this type of trash jack_krass Nov 2016 #55

Romney won a higher percentage of white voters than Trump oberliner Nov 2016 #61

Stop repeating facts. Ruins the desired race-based narrative 7962 Nov 2016 #86

I get a sense TRUMP came off as the change candidate while Hillary seemed quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #63

I agree with everything Bernie has said, and I also agree with this. They aren't mutually exclusive. JCanete Nov 2016 #65

That for sure. nt oasis Nov 2016 #84

Inherent in the "working class whites" narrative is the notion that... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #87