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guillaumeb

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25. I am confused.

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 07:30 PM

Dec 2019

I asserted that people choose to molest. And that not all who are molested behave that way toward others. If you assert that free will is an illusion, anything that anyone does is out of their control, correct?

If however, these factors might merely play a part in how people make their choices, that argues for free will.

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Was Mister Rogers the messiah? [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2019 OP

Seems as though with the blatant hypocrisy among conservative "Christian" fundamentalists hlthe2b Dec 2019 #1

We agree on this. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #2

"The" path? trotsky Dec 2019 #5

his path... he was going to attend seminary school but decided to see how he... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #8

guillaumeb didn't say "his" path, he said "THE" path. trotsky Dec 2019 #10

oh, that path.... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #11

It means nothing to me, that's why I asked what was meant. trotsky Dec 2019 #12

So dismissive, disrespectful, and sarcastic. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #15

Oh hey! So what's "the" path, g? trotsky Dec 2019 #18

Will you apologize to the poster for your comments? eom guillaumeb Dec 2019 #20

If I do, will you answer my question? n/t trotsky Dec 2019 #23

Insufferable Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #29

Of course I know what he means. The problem is that he's trying to have it both ways. trotsky Dec 2019 #34

If it's such a simple question why didn't he answer it? Major Nikon Dec 2019 #36

It was simply refreshing to see a movie about a Zoonart Dec 2019 #3

An excellent ending. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #4

Yes...really uplifting. Zoonart Dec 2019 #6

"Some, like Trump, seem to deliberately choose to be negative." trotsky Dec 2019 #7

How much does anyone choose? guillaumeb Dec 2019 #16

But those who are abused are more likely to abuse. trotsky Dec 2019 #19

So free will is an illusion? guillaumeb Dec 2019 #21

When there are clearly outside factors that help determine choices people make... trotsky Dec 2019 #24

I am confused. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #25

According to your viewpoint, yes, people do "choose" to abuse. trotsky Dec 2019 #33

We are blank slates at birth. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #38

Uh that's patent nonsense. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #42

Humans are born with certain reflexes. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #44

maybe you should read up on infant cognitive development Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #47

"no one here has argued that humans have unfettered free will" trotsky Dec 2019 #43

Your first accusation is unsupportable. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #45

You have argued to the contrary here, and you literally did it right in this thread. trotsky Dec 2019 #50

You always give up when the questions get hard. trotsky Dec 2019 #53

It is useless to respond to a non-fact based narrative. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #54

As a reminder, here's the question: trotsky Dec 2019 #55

It posits a change from a previous position. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #56

LOL trotsky Dec 2019 #57

One of your better responses. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #58

Well have you? trotsky Dec 2019 #59

Great job promoting dialogue. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #60

Do you do anything to help the atmosphere, g? trotsky Dec 2019 #61

Yes. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #41

And that excuses anything? guillaumeb Dec 2019 #46

Where did I state "that excuses anything"? Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #48

If free will is an illlusion, guillaumeb Dec 2019 #49

Not in the sense you mean. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #51

Well, it's a good thing Trump's a christian with a wake of head-nodding evangelicals to support AtheistCrusader Dec 2019 #37

Yes! FM123 Dec 2019 #52

for those interested, there is a documentary on fred rogers out on netflix ... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #9

I have not seen it to date, but I plan on doing so. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #17

No, he was a mortal human being Cartoonist Dec 2019 #13

The evidence for Fred Rogers as the messiah is just as good Major Nikon Dec 2019 #27

And we know Fred Rogers actually existed. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2019 #40

Closer to a bodhisattva, maybe. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #14

I prefer his indica's myself.... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #22

His behavior? guillaumeb Dec 2019 #26

His compassion. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #32

I can't wait to see the film. MontanaMama Dec 2019 #28

What an incredible experience Docreed2003 Dec 2019 #31

Thank you for sharing your experience. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #39

Hmmm...there's no need for a messiah, especially based on Jesus's real teachings. His Karadeniz Dec 2019 #30

He was just a very nice man who behaved like one. MineralMan Dec 2019 #35