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struggle4progress

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47. I like genuine scholarship, where actual facts lead to conclusions,

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:55 PM

Feb 2019

as opposed to ax-grinding, where the "facts" are derived from the desired conclusions

Actual cultural histories are fascinating and informative: it seems likely that many ideas have long and complicated pedigrees, evolving in multiple transfers

It's interesting to try to sort out actual details, and to try to understand what we have learned from that process

"Facts" derived from prechosen conclusions, and deductions from such "facts," are without interest

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How is 'Jesus Son of God' different from sons of Greek gods? Ever hear sermon on this? [View all] bobbieinok Feb 2019 OP

Are we all "sons" of God? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #1

Define the divine... MineralMan Feb 2019 #2

To divine the divine is the work of a lifetime. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #3

Nah... MineralMan Feb 2019 #4

Your answer apparently "works" for you. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #5

Here we go..🙄 sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #10

Many do not 'get it'. And they may never. no text sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #11

Or, they put such obstacles in the way, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #19

Redefining God as beyond evidence, reason, proofs, .. Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #28

IIRC there was a major debate in 80s? re validity of claims that can't be falsified bobbieinok Feb 2019 #31

Popper, Wittgenstein, Russell started it off? Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #33

I think Hume did. marylandblue Feb 2019 #34

The Parable of the Invisible Gardener--John Wisdom, Antony Flew bobbieinok Feb 2019 #35

The crux for me? Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #37

Or, an admission that human intelliegence is not capable of understanding? eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #38

Or a willful embrace of ignorance, intellectual fatalism and laziness, as sacred Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #39

Or an embrace of human intelligence as the substitute for a deity. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #40

Why would human intelligence substitute for a deity? marylandblue Feb 2019 #41

No evidence? MineralMan Feb 2019 #16

In your mind, you are indeed "correct". guillaumeb Feb 2019 #18

I thought that was the metaphorical part. (nt) NeoGreen Feb 2019 #22

Well done. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #23

In other words, you refuse to do so Major Nikon Feb 2019 #15

Each believer must do so. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #17

You were asked to define a word YOU used yourself as YOU define it, not "others" Major Nikon Feb 2019 #20

The creator, if you believe in such, naturally creates... Thomas Hurt Feb 2019 #6

Easy. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #29

Or, if you have problems with spelling... MineralMan Feb 2019 #30

Nope. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #13

He's more complex: LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #7

Pretty much sums it up. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #8

Patti Smith: "Jesus died for somebody's sins, 3Hotdogs Feb 2019 #21

That's great! Glamrock Feb 2019 #26

jesus is Hercules plus a few other mix and match... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #9

Interesting. Thanks for link. bobbieinok Feb 2019 #12

That webpage is useless as scholarship struggle4progress Feb 2019 #25

Are we to suppose that the ... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #42

Genuine studies of cultural histories are interesting and informative. But struggle4progress Feb 2019 #43

I could say the same thing about anyone... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #44

Here is Richard Carrier on Graves: struggle4progress Feb 2019 #45

Ok, I get it... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #46

I like genuine scholarship, where actual facts lead to conclusions, struggle4progress Feb 2019 #47

So, does this mean I can assume you discount... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #49

I've been posting here at DU for fifteen years. In that time, struggle4progress Feb 2019 #50

Ok, good... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #53

The literalists take the view that the texts must be accepted as accurate accounts struggle4progress Feb 2019 #54

Agreed, and would add... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #55

The sons of Greek gods were generally demi-gods Major Nikon Feb 2019 #14

Could the Greek Gods be Nephilim? ... spin Feb 2019 #51

It is more subversive. The rulers often called themselves struggle4progress Feb 2019 #24

"A bit different, but not so very different" doesn't make for a long enough sermon RockRaven Feb 2019 #27

Zeus' kids knew how to party. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #32

Yes, sermons heard. Igel Feb 2019 #36

*record scratch* trotsky Feb 2019 #48

"The NT strongly implies that Jesus pre-existed" Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #52