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struggle4progress

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24. It is more subversive. The rulers often called themselves

Sun Feb 17, 2019, 09:10 PM

Feb 2019

the sons of the gods

When Octavian became Augustus Caesar, he was called Divi filius -- the son of god

But Jesus was a poor man, executed as a criminal in the most ignoble manner possible: a method usually used only for slaves

To say "This was the Son of God!" defied the accepted social order

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How is 'Jesus Son of God' different from sons of Greek gods? Ever hear sermon on this? [View all] bobbieinok Feb 2019 OP

Are we all "sons" of God? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #1

Define the divine... MineralMan Feb 2019 #2

To divine the divine is the work of a lifetime. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #3

Nah... MineralMan Feb 2019 #4

Your answer apparently "works" for you. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #5

Here we go..🙄 sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #10

Many do not 'get it'. And they may never. no text sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #11

Or, they put such obstacles in the way, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #19

Redefining God as beyond evidence, reason, proofs, .. Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #28

IIRC there was a major debate in 80s? re validity of claims that can't be falsified bobbieinok Feb 2019 #31

Popper, Wittgenstein, Russell started it off? Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #33

I think Hume did. marylandblue Feb 2019 #34

The Parable of the Invisible Gardener--John Wisdom, Antony Flew bobbieinok Feb 2019 #35

The crux for me? Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #37

Or, an admission that human intelliegence is not capable of understanding? eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #38

Or a willful embrace of ignorance, intellectual fatalism and laziness, as sacred Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #39

Or an embrace of human intelligence as the substitute for a deity. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #40

Why would human intelligence substitute for a deity? marylandblue Feb 2019 #41

No evidence? MineralMan Feb 2019 #16

In your mind, you are indeed "correct". guillaumeb Feb 2019 #18

I thought that was the metaphorical part. (nt) NeoGreen Feb 2019 #22

Well done. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #23

In other words, you refuse to do so Major Nikon Feb 2019 #15

Each believer must do so. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #17

You were asked to define a word YOU used yourself as YOU define it, not "others" Major Nikon Feb 2019 #20

The creator, if you believe in such, naturally creates... Thomas Hurt Feb 2019 #6

Easy. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #29

Or, if you have problems with spelling... MineralMan Feb 2019 #30

Nope. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #13

He's more complex: LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #7

Pretty much sums it up. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #8

Patti Smith: "Jesus died for somebody's sins, 3Hotdogs Feb 2019 #21

That's great! Glamrock Feb 2019 #26

jesus is Hercules plus a few other mix and match... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #9

Interesting. Thanks for link. bobbieinok Feb 2019 #12

That webpage is useless as scholarship struggle4progress Feb 2019 #25

Are we to suppose that the ... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #42

Genuine studies of cultural histories are interesting and informative. But struggle4progress Feb 2019 #43

I could say the same thing about anyone... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #44

Here is Richard Carrier on Graves: struggle4progress Feb 2019 #45

Ok, I get it... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #46

I like genuine scholarship, where actual facts lead to conclusions, struggle4progress Feb 2019 #47

So, does this mean I can assume you discount... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #49

I've been posting here at DU for fifteen years. In that time, struggle4progress Feb 2019 #50

Ok, good... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #53

The literalists take the view that the texts must be accepted as accurate accounts struggle4progress Feb 2019 #54

Agreed, and would add... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #55

The sons of Greek gods were generally demi-gods Major Nikon Feb 2019 #14

Could the Greek Gods be Nephilim? ... spin Feb 2019 #51

It is more subversive. The rulers often called themselves struggle4progress Feb 2019 #24

"A bit different, but not so very different" doesn't make for a long enough sermon RockRaven Feb 2019 #27

Zeus' kids knew how to party. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #32

Yes, sermons heard. Igel Feb 2019 #36

*record scratch* trotsky Feb 2019 #48

"The NT strongly implies that Jesus pre-existed" Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #52