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MineralMan

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55. Let's see some links, Guy.

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:51 PM

Dec 2018

You are in that camp, so show us your supporting links.

The flood is a metaphor for punishment for evildoing, if it's a metaphor for anything. If you do wrong, you risk being killed by an angry deity. A lot of deities are like that. It's intentional, see. Since scriptures are cultures' way of codifying rules, the punishment part is a natural. They're saying:

"Look what happens when you violate "God's" laws. Screw up and god gets angry and kills you, along with everyone else, if things are bad enough."

It's not a "cleansing" metaphor, unless you're talking about something like "racial cleansing."

But, please feel free to present your supporting analysts' arguments. I'll look forward to re-analyzing them.

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God breaks his promise [View all] Cartoonist Nov 2018 OP

You have retold ... TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #1

The flood is a metaphor for cleansing. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #2

Sez who, Guy? MineralMan Nov 2018 #3

I just did. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #4

All that really proves is fundamentalists are more honest Major Nikon Nov 2018 #10

So you claim a special insight into what the writers intended? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #15

Are you trying to be funny, because this is a special kind of funny Major Nikon Nov 2018 #17

So yes, your response confirms it. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #20

Strawman bullshit doesn't do your argument any favors Major Nikon Nov 2018 #25

Your words defeat this response: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #26

So now you're trying to pretend I meant something other than exactly what I said Major Nikon Nov 2018 #29

And now you revert back to your preferred response. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #33

The revision and argument that followed was yours Major Nikon Nov 2018 #37

Stick with the gif(t). guillaumeb Nov 2018 #40

I'd rather you just continue to explain what I meant as that shit is hilarious Major Nikon Nov 2018 #41

Better. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #42

Try to stay focused Major Nikon Nov 2018 #43

We may argue exactly what the intent of certain statements are. marylandblue Nov 2018 #52

And there are arguments as to what that "literal" interpretation is. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #54

Which is not what I said marylandblue Dec 2018 #62

Apologetics don't cut it, Guy. MineralMan Nov 2018 #12

And you are the definer of what the writers intended? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #16

But you already declared yourself the definer. trotsky Nov 2018 #18

Nah, he's claiming "history" defined it as "metaphorical" Major Nikon Nov 2018 #19

The answer is here: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #21

Nope, no answer there. trotsky Nov 2018 #36

Too easy. But thank you anyway. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #38

Yeah, the correct one Major Nikon Nov 2018 #46

I'll agree with you on your last phrase. trotsky Dec 2018 #68

See #46. MN agrees with my view. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #47

I agreed that a reasonable person will arrive at a conclusion Major Nikon Nov 2018 #48

That isn't what this is about. trotsky Dec 2018 #69

No. I'm an analyst of what the writings say. MineralMan Nov 2018 #22

And many analysts support the view that the use of water as a metaphor guillaumeb Nov 2018 #23

Let's see some links, Guy. MineralMan Dec 2018 #55

#4 guillaumeb Dec 2018 #56

No, my dear Guillaume, I saw that one. Random essays from blog sites MineralMan Dec 2018 #57

OK. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #58

I understand your need to deflect from the question. MineralMan Dec 2018 #59

I understand your need to frame and control the dialogue. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #60

My screen name appears about 6 times in the list of replies to this thread. MineralMan Dec 2018 #61

Water has more than one meaning in the Bible. marylandblue Dec 2018 #63

The Bible flood story has amazing similarity to the flood story in the Epic Of Gilgamesh, VMA131Marine Nov 2018 #30

Yes, so it does... MineralMan Nov 2018 #32

There's also numerous other flood myths that pre-dated Major Nikon Nov 2018 #44

Correct! VMA131Marine Nov 2018 #45

Find the place in that article where it talks about edhopper Nov 2018 #13

Everything on that link is about washing and drinking water marylandblue Nov 2018 #49

Water cleanses sin. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #53

Well sure. In the specific case of the flood Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #64

A metaphoric slaughter? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #65

Sure, a metaphoric slaughter. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #66

Nobody is arguing that the flood narrative is literal marylandblue Dec 2018 #67

It can't be, as your allegation is illogical. TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #5

Your framing lacks nuance. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #6

I'm glad someone knows exactly what everything in the Bible means... uriel1972 Nov 2018 #7

He doesn't know any better than anyone else Major Nikon Nov 2018 #9

I identified this as my opinion. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #24

"The flood is a metaphor for cleansing." Major Nikon Nov 2018 #28

Each of my responses is not a separate treatise on my world view. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #31

When someone claims something "is" something, that IS an assertion of fact Major Nikon Nov 2018 #34

As to accuracy, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #35

Keep digging Major Nikon Nov 2018 #39

When has floodwater ever been a metaphor for cleansing? marylandblue Nov 2018 #50

Floods are wet aren't they? Major Nikon Nov 2018 #51

It is because gil decided it is. trotsky Dec 2018 #70

"his opinion is better" He has convinced himself. MineralMan Dec 2018 #71

It's not that his opinion is better than others, marylandblue Dec 2018 #72

You lack honesty Major Nikon Nov 2018 #8

Your argument is false. I call BS. TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #11

Ok. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #14

Technically he is correct? HopeAgain Nov 2018 #27