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60. While Obama is a popular Presdient, during his time in office...
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:56 PM
Dec 2016

the Democratic Party lost control of both Houses of Congress, a number of governorships and over 900 seats in state legislatures.

I come from a long line of Democrats who worked in the iron and steel mills of Pennsylvania. All of these Democrats owned and used firearms and several used their weapons for legitimate self defense.

When I go shooting at target ranges I find most shooters say they are Republican. As a registered Democrat I find myself often as the odd one in the bunch and take a lot of good natiured razing. However when i have discussed politics with other shooters I find they often agree with many of the ideas the Democratic Party favors. Unfortunately they tell me that even so they could never vote for a Democrat as they oppose gun bans and limits on the amount of rounds a magazine can hold. In their opinion a new Federal Assault Weapons Ban is just the first step to the imposition of gun laws similar to those the Great Britain on the citizens of our nation.

There are at least 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation and a significant percentage turn out at the polls to vote against any and all candidates who support gun bans and restrictions on common firearms.

In my opinion it is quite possible that the gun owners in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida may have cost Hillary the necessary electoral votes she needed to win the Presidency. Consequently we ended up with Trump in the Oval Office.

Most gun owners I talk with do wish to see some improvements to our existing gun laws. First they want to see existing gun laws enforced. They are open to improvements to our NICS background check system. They would like to see the straw purchases of firearms and the smuggling of weapons for sale in our inner cities stopped. However they do no favor any form of federal gun registration and of course oppose any firearm bans.

I am now 70 years old. I understand that the Democratic Party has changed significantly over my lifetime. I still support many of the concepts our party stands for but I personally feel that our efforts to push for gun bans and strong laws like those in Great Britain are a ball and chain around the ankle of our party.

Now I understand that many Democrats are buying firearms because Trump became our President. Support for many of the gun control ideas our party has proposed is even diminishing in our own ranks.



I Flew thru JFK Airport last Month Best_man23 Dec 2016 #1
Sidenote capricorn_sister Dec 2016 #10
Most excellent. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #14
Disgusting Truth321 Dec 2016 #2
Gun ownership sarisataka Dec 2016 #4
With Hillary Truth321 Dec 2016 #20
At what cost to the Partys Future? n/t oneshooter Dec 2016 #21
Cost to party. Truth321 Dec 2016 #22
The ban that Clinton signed cost the House, Senate and Presidency. oneshooter Dec 2016 #23
While Obama is a popular Presdient, during his time in office... spin Dec 2016 #60
Excellent post. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #84
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Dec 2016 #86
You didn't answer sarisataka Dec 2016 #46
Perhaps it goes against the beliefs of the younger generation of Democrats. ... spin Dec 2016 #62
It could be generational sarisataka Dec 2016 #68
No, living in such an uncivil, sick society that we have to arm ourselves Warpy Dec 2016 #55
Then, don't carry/own one. yagotme Dec 2016 #73
Risk? tortoise1956 Dec 2016 #74
Your personal experience means Emilybemily Dec 2016 #82
From your second link ... Straw Man Dec 2016 #85
the study mentioned is probably not a valid study gejohnston Dec 2016 #89
Actually, I analyze data for a living... tortoise1956 Jan 2017 #94
Truth321 GreydeeThos Dec 2016 #6
Right. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #15
Who is "we"? I noticed this was asked of you by another poster, why didn't you answer? Marengo Dec 2016 #24
I think we scared him. oneshooter Dec 2016 #35
More and more the US is becoming more violent and IMO all people just want to protect themselves RKP5637 Dec 2016 #3
Hate to say it, Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #5
As long as you follow all of the rules and regulations of the State and Federal Law. oneshooter Dec 2016 #8
Not a Gun person. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #13
Obviously. Straw Man Dec 2016 #19
Not really... tortoise1956 Dec 2016 #75
The good news is it's not too late to be progressive on the 2A. ileus Dec 2016 #7
Yes, I never understood yagotme Dec 2016 #11
Hear hear! pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #16
and of course, when more school kids get shot DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #26
Your response might have been better without the Lovejoyism friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #27
would you prefer numbers of corpses? DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #30
And the number of said corpses is declining, a statistic that you lot are loathe to admit friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #31
and we still lead the world DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #32
Do you have a solution that doesn't require blaming those not responsible? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #33
there are solutions DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #34
What is "military grade ammo"? n/t oneshooter Dec 2016 #36
I've always been amused by the fact........ pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #44
full metal jackets, teflon "cop killers" DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #38
FMJ is actually less lethal, gejohnston Dec 2016 #40
The "cop killer bullet" myth was given up on looong ago. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #41
I know I was... yagotme Dec 2016 #42
Gun prohibitionists are like the GOP in one respect: They rely on low-information voters... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #45
What I could never understand, yagotme Dec 2016 #47
And that's the giveaway that gun restriction is a *religion*. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #51
I compare restriction supporters to Faux News viewers. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #50
are the amout of gun deaths lies DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #57
"I do not care about Johnny d(e)er hunter" That remark helps illustrate *why* gun control is a wreck friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #63
Rifles with magazines, clips, tube feeds... of all sizes... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #64
"Are the amount of gun deaths lies?" pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #66
You tell us sarisataka Dec 2016 #71
one reason is population gejohnston Dec 2016 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #95
Oh for god's sake give it up Emilybemily Dec 2016 #83
Wouldn't it be accurate to say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #88
Yes, it would. Unfortunately, that reduction causes no small amount of anhedonia... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #91
Not at all- I merely pointed out that the rate of increase of said bodies is decreasing... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #90
Thank you. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #54
Thank you for what, exactly? pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Paladin Dec 2016 #9
RW extremists expect liberals to tremble, pee yellow fluid and cow down. This is the strerotype... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #12
A lot of that "snowflake" stuff... MountCleaners Dec 2016 #18
Anecdote for you all. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #17
Somebody cleaned out your yagotme Dec 2016 #25
you guys are nuts jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #28
"Progressive DEMS are not gun people. Period." Oh, reeeally?: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #29
Right. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #39
Is Vermont a true red state?? yagotme Dec 2016 #43
Yup ---- the hypocrisy is without bounds with the restrictionistas. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #52
Why not? sarisataka Dec 2016 #49
That is the most ignorant thing I have read in a long while Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #67
Welcome to DU and the group discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #79
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #48
Not this liberal. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #53
As is your choice. Please allow each of us the same choice. n/t oneshooter Dec 2016 #56
If it were up to me no one would be allowed to have a gun. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #58
Well then it seems WE are fortunate that YOU are not the Emperor and still have a choice. n/t oneshooter Dec 2016 #59
I value life. Not guns or an obsolete, misinterpreted excuse to 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #61
I also value life. oneshooter Dec 2016 #65
We value life as well. Your ugly innuendo explains why we lose elections. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #70
Gun owners don't value life? Marengo Dec 2016 #87
In a violent crime there are two lives at risk sarisataka Dec 2016 #92
As likely has already correctly noted J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #76
I always have bought guns and support the Second Ammendment but think every gun sale should doc03 Dec 2016 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #78
The NRA is celebrating. Truth321 Dec 2016 #80
Yes, celebrating Democratic Beltway obsession with gun control. Standing rib roasts. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #93
We better start arming and training. Bozvotros Dec 2016 #81
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