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safeinOhio

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43. Here is a great explanation of the NRA changing the Constitution.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:18 AM
Jan 2016
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment



How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment
Though state militias eventually dissolved, for two centuries we had guns (plenty!) and we had gun laws in towns and states, governing everything from where gunpowder could be stored to who could carry a weapon—and courts overwhelmingly upheld these restrictions. Gun rights and gun control were seen as going hand in hand. Four times between 1876 and 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to rule that the Second Amendment protected individual gun ownership outside the context of a militia. As the Tennessee Supreme Court put it in 1840, “A man in the pursuit of deer, elk, and buffaloes might carry his rifle every day for forty years, and yet it would never be said of him that he had borne arms; much less could it be said that a private citizen bears arms because he has a dirk or pistol concealed under his clothes, or a spear in a cane.”

* * *

Cue the National Rifle Association. We all know of the organization’s considerable power over the ballot box and legislation. Bill Clinton groused in 1994 after the Democrats lost their congressional majority, “The NRA is the reason the Republicans control the House.” Just last year, it managed to foster a successful filibuster of even a modest background-check proposal in the U.S. Senate, despite 90 percent public approval of the measure.

What is less known—and perhaps more significant—is its rising sway over constitutional law.
Cut to 1977. Gun-group veterans still call the NRA’s annual meeting that year the “Revolt at Cincinnati.” After the organization’s leadership had decided to move its headquarters to Colorado, signaling a retreat from politics, more than a thousand angry rebels showed up at the annual convention. By four in the morning, the dissenters had voted out the organization’s leadership. Activists from the Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms pushed their way into power.
This country has gone nuts newfie11 Jan 2016 #1
I don't think regulated means Keefer Jan 2016 #2
Please explian the meaning. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #3
This explains it best Keefer Jan 2016 #4
Yes, but I don't see your point safeinOhio Jan 2016 #5
My point is... Keefer Jan 2016 #6
If I may intrude on your exchange discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #16
revised in 1903 safeinOhio Jan 2016 #18
Amendment 2 does not authorize regulating the militia... beevul Jan 2016 #30
I addressed the meaning of the 2A in light of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #59
Well equipped and/or trained. Igel Jan 2016 #7
So, in the 18th century context safeinOhio Jan 2016 #8
None of that changes the fact Keefer Jan 2016 #9
None of that changes, only if one does not look at context. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #19
The original intent of the 2nd amendment hasn't changed. Keefer Jan 2016 #25
What does it take safeinOhio Jan 2016 #26
Whatever the militia decides are Keefer Jan 2016 #27
Which militia are they?? Surely not the Constitutional militias - those jmg257 Jan 2016 #41
The government sometimes squelches seditious speech but that doesn't abrogate the 1A. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #10
If you want to defend safeinOhio Jan 2016 #11
Neither Shay's nor Washington's actions hold any bearing on others or the context of the 2A Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #12
I'd beg to differ safeinOhio Jan 2016 #13
All of this is in response to safeinOhio Jan 2016 #14
Title 10 USC Section 311 would disagree with your assertion. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #15
Refers to National Guards safeinOhio Jan 2016 #20
Emphasis mine -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #23
and as amended in 1958 and 1993 safeinOhio Jan 2016 #24
Citation please. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #28
The 1958 and 1993 amendments do not strike the provisions of the unorganized militia -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #29
Only those of or retired safeinOhio Jan 2016 #32
There are no expiration dates for law to be invoked. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #33
Yep. beevul Jan 2016 #34
Really safeinOhio Jan 2016 #36
Yes. Really. beevul Jan 2016 #38
I think we'll find out in November. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #39
your history is wrong gejohnston Jan 2016 #40
I'll take Justice Stevens and the ACLU safeinOhio Jan 2016 #42
Stevens gave no evidence to back up the claim gejohnston Jan 2016 #44
Yep, ole Justice Stevens doesn't know anything safeinOhio Jan 2016 #55
I didn't say he didn't know anything about the law gejohnston Jan 2016 #56
I know , you are more safeinOhio Jan 2016 #57
you are making a false assumption gejohnston Jan 2016 #58
Here is a great explanation of the NRA changing the Constitution. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #43
Sorry, he is wrong gejohnston Jan 2016 #45
Then try these and let me know if you need more safeinOhio Jan 2016 #46
LOL!!! Mother Jones, Daily Kos, Huff Po, Wikipedia? DonP Jan 2016 #49
they all have the exact same flaw gejohnston Jan 2016 #53
So, from this passage -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #47
You don't like the source of the article? safeinOhio Jan 2016 #48
Guncite merely carries the text of the ruling your article cited. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #50
If we can't find out now, how will we in november? beevul Jan 2016 #54
please post a link showing this? Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #31
My neighbor's cat and I can call ourselves a "militia," like fundy bundy. Doesn't make it so. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #17
Sorry, unless your cat and you safeinOhio Jan 2016 #21
But the ASPCA called up us! Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #22
missed one MisterP Jan 2016 #35
Jesus effing Keerist!! n/t eridani Jan 2016 #37
America's gunslinger mentality makes us look like fools to the rest of the world. n/t Binkie The Clown Jan 2016 #51
But but but rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #52
What does this shooting have to do with open carry? TeddyR Jan 2016 #60
The argument rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #61
Sane, polite and rational people are sane, polite and rational. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #62
"Open carry nuts insist this stuff never happens." Feh- mere Colonism on your part: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #63
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