Gun Control & RKBA

safeinOhio

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8. So, in the 18th century context

Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:42 AM

Jan 2016

Washington came out of retirement to put down one of those militias in Shay's Rebellion. It was that Federal Government that squashed this armed group of citizens.

I understand the point that, in order to regulate the Federal Government from taking away rights, people might keep firearms. That was basically put in place to prevent a large standing army. We now have that large standing army and state National Guards, making it all meaningless in the 21st century. That all died shortly after it was signed by the Shay's Rebellion and Washington crushing it.

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Our militias could definitely stand to be regulated better [View all] eridani Jan 2016 OP

This country has gone nuts newfie11 Jan 2016 #1

I don't think regulated means Keefer Jan 2016 #2

Please explian the meaning. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #3

This explains it best Keefer Jan 2016 #4

Yes, but I don't see your point safeinOhio Jan 2016 #5

My point is... Keefer Jan 2016 #6

If I may intrude on your exchange discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #16

revised in 1903 safeinOhio Jan 2016 #18

Amendment 2 does not authorize regulating the militia... beevul Jan 2016 #30

I addressed the meaning of the 2A in light of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #59

Well equipped and/or trained. Igel Jan 2016 #7

So, in the 18th century context safeinOhio Jan 2016 #8

None of that changes the fact Keefer Jan 2016 #9

None of that changes, only if one does not look at context. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #19

The original intent of the 2nd amendment hasn't changed. Keefer Jan 2016 #25

What does it take safeinOhio Jan 2016 #26

Whatever the militia decides are Keefer Jan 2016 #27

Which militia are they?? Surely not the Constitutional militias - those jmg257 Jan 2016 #41

The government sometimes squelches seditious speech but that doesn't abrogate the 1A. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #10

If you want to defend safeinOhio Jan 2016 #11

Neither Shay's nor Washington's actions hold any bearing on others or the context of the 2A Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #12

I'd beg to differ safeinOhio Jan 2016 #13

All of this is in response to safeinOhio Jan 2016 #14

Title 10 USC Section 311 would disagree with your assertion. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #15

Refers to National Guards safeinOhio Jan 2016 #20

Emphasis mine -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #23

and as amended in 1958 and 1993 safeinOhio Jan 2016 #24

Citation please. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #28

The 1958 and 1993 amendments do not strike the provisions of the unorganized militia -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #29

Only those of or retired safeinOhio Jan 2016 #32

There are no expiration dates for law to be invoked. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #33

Yep. beevul Jan 2016 #34

Really safeinOhio Jan 2016 #36

Yes. Really. beevul Jan 2016 #38

I think we'll find out in November. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #39

your history is wrong gejohnston Jan 2016 #40

I'll take Justice Stevens and the ACLU safeinOhio Jan 2016 #42

Stevens gave no evidence to back up the claim gejohnston Jan 2016 #44

Yep, ole Justice Stevens doesn't know anything safeinOhio Jan 2016 #55

I didn't say he didn't know anything about the law gejohnston Jan 2016 #56

I know , you are more safeinOhio Jan 2016 #57

you are making a false assumption gejohnston Jan 2016 #58

Here is a great explanation of the NRA changing the Constitution. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #43

Sorry, he is wrong gejohnston Jan 2016 #45

Then try these and let me know if you need more safeinOhio Jan 2016 #46

LOL!!! Mother Jones, Daily Kos, Huff Po, Wikipedia? DonP Jan 2016 #49

they all have the exact same flaw gejohnston Jan 2016 #53

So, from this passage -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #47

You don't like the source of the article? safeinOhio Jan 2016 #48

Guncite merely carries the text of the ruling your article cited. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #50

If we can't find out now, how will we in november? beevul Jan 2016 #54

please post a link showing this? Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #31

My neighbor's cat and I can call ourselves a "militia," like fundy bundy. Doesn't make it so. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #17

Sorry, unless your cat and you safeinOhio Jan 2016 #21

But the ASPCA called up us! Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #22

missed one MisterP Jan 2016 #35

Jesus effing Keerist!! n/t eridani Jan 2016 #37

America's gunslinger mentality makes us look like fools to the rest of the world. n/t Binkie The Clown Jan 2016 #51

But but but rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #52

What does this shooting have to do with open carry? TeddyR Jan 2016 #60

The argument rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #61

Sane, polite and rational people are sane, polite and rational. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #62

"Open carry nuts insist this stuff never happens." Feh- mere Colonism on your part: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2016 #63