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superbeachnut

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74. Debunked 911 truth's melted steel claims, but failed to realize it, steel can't melt at 1000C
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jun 2014

No the key word is temperature less than 1000C, thus no melted steel. The key to intergranular melting is the eutectic, which you might not understand, it is chemical engineering. Did you take chemical engineering. If you understand eutectic, you would know there was no melted steel. But most 911 truth followers see "melting", ignore the 1000C and less temperatures, and they are convinced the lie of melted steel made up by failed experts in 911 truth is the truth. Failing to check or gain understanding of chemical engineering, they fall for the fantasy due to lack of knowledge, lack of comprehension of what the paper means.

Again you have essentially debunked the lie of melted steel, but you failed to the woo side, and repeat melted steel lie, having no idea you read the rebuttal, and are quote mining a source which debunks melted steel as you declare victory with "intergranular melting" due to a new material formed in fires 1000C and below, forming a eutectic which melts below 1000C. You really did debunk 911 truth's melted steel, but you don't know it, and unknowingly due to lack of understanding of what you read, remain stuck with what is now a delusional fantasy based on your own failure to comprehend the paper.

You will need a chemical engineer to explain this to you, or a layperson with comprehension skills. The paper you quote-mine clearly debunks melted steel if you understood eutectic. You don't understand what eutectic is. I cheated, in college I took Chemical Engineering 101 as an elective for my engineering degree. My college roommate was/is a Chemical Engineer. It is too easy for me to see 911 truth is spreading lies of melted steel, and they use the same quote mining technique you used. Just find the term melted, or molten and repeat the quote mine.

Better go tell 60 Minutes you got the proof - a paper you don't understand debunks your claim of melted steel.

Why can't you find a photo of the solid melted river of steel? Where are you photos?

The key is corrosion, 911 truth fails to understand corroded steel, and calls it melted, and people fall for the lie.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fema-appendix-c.3803/ You proved you are wrong with the term "intergranular melting", and don't know it, and will not seek help from a real expert. I have a masters in engineering, what did the expert who lied to you in the video have? A masters in woo, or BS Artistry.

Architects & Engineers for Truth! [View all] wildbilln864 May 2014 OP
Experts? A group of people who can't figure out 911 given 13 years, are not experts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #1
oh yeah, you figured it out though right!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #2
Gage's experts spew nonsense, not a thing is true, or backed with evidence - thermite nuts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #3
your post is full of... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #4
can't pick a claim to support superbeachnut Jun 2014 #5
i don't have to prove anything ... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #6
No body is able to back up the claims; why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #7
well that settles it then. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #8
Better as failed speculation, than Creative superbeachnut Jun 2014 #9
Gage pulls in 500k!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #10
agree, Gage has no evidence for his claims superbeachnut Jun 2014 #11
sounds like you're on a mission. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #13
911 truth followers have no clue what evidence is, experts spew delusional claims based on opinions superbeachnut Jun 2014 #32
yep... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #33
911 truth fails to present evidence, video remains a fantasy based on ignorance superbeachnut Jun 2014 #34
wrong again! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #35
Gage's experts believe in fantasy, have no evidence - a fact 911 truth followers ignore superbeachnut Jun 2014 #36
I don't even read your posts anymore.. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #37
The video is full of nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #38
flying jets doesn't mean shit! So did Bush! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #39
flying jets, Aluminum jet, melts in fire, Bush trained same base as I, can you fly supersonic jets superbeachnut Jun 2014 #41
that's not aluminum and.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #42
Yep, it was a aluminum, eyewitnesses saw melted aluminum, experts agree superbeachnut Jun 2014 #43
all you have is opinion but wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #44
why so afraid? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #45
Afraid. 911 truth is not about truth, it is about spreading anti-government lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #46
It's about we want an investigation! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #47
If it was LIHOP William Seger Jun 2014 #48
william you're not trying to weed out shit! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #50
Do you or do you not understand... William Seger Jun 2014 #71
What I do not understand is why I cannot see your posts now since... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #72
The most pathetic thing about the "truth movement"... William Seger Jun 2014 #73
why aren't your post showing up since I blocked beachnuts? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #75
lies, anti-government lies of our government doing 911, doing the murders superbeachnut Jun 2014 #49
why the BS propaganda guys? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #51
cherry picking lies to support lies from experts spreading lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #61
opinions, lies, hearsay, fantasy, Claims the Boston bombers would believe superbeachnut Jun 2014 #12
Um... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #14
9/11 Lies by paranoid conspiracy theorists, Gage calls them experts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #15
from your fema.gov link wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #16
Corroded steel, not melted - reading comprehension... Chemical Engineering required for some superbeachnut Jun 2014 #18
either keep up or learn english. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #20
Debunked 911 truth's melted steel claims, but failed to realize it, steel can't melt at 1000C superbeachnut Jun 2014 #74
steel beam 1000C, not melted, you debunked the video. Good job superbeachnut Jun 2014 #26
also: wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #17
wow, where is the Pulitzer Prize for this one superbeachnut Jun 2014 #19
so what temperature do you think... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #21
911 truth followers always ask questions, never able to answer them superbeachnut Jun 2014 #22
again you avoid a simple question. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #24
why can't 911 truth answer questions they ask? no knowledge superbeachnut Jun 2014 #25
Expert not an engineer, has no clue, not an expert on fire and structural engineering superbeachnut Jun 2014 #23
Gage's claims debunked - 911 truth video proves 911 truth has no evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #27
i can only guess wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #28
false flag fantasy superbeachnut Jun 2014 #29
blah blah, yada yada! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #31
9/11: explosives evidence Experts Lie about 9/11 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #30
Why no Pulitzer Prize for this breaking news (lol) - Pulitzer, not for liars superbeachnut Jun 2014 #40
Ummmm.... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #52
What's this? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #53
Steel corroded in fire, not melted, 911 truth experts lied due to ignorance, hate of their country superbeachnut Jun 2014 #59
steel corroded in fire!? wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #60
Laughing at science, 911 truth's only product, laughing at the lies they spread about 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #62
projecting again I see. wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #64
psssst! this here: wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #65
That's why the NIST addressed it in their subsequent report. AZCat Jun 2014 #67
How thermite is used... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #54
Not thermite explosives, and a cut made on WTC steel after 911 - no evidence yet superbeachnut Jun 2014 #58
Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Md., said molten steel was wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #55
Lots of cognitive dissonance in the USA over 911. I don't for a minute buy snappyturtle Jun 2014 #56
which liberty was taken away - why can't anyone support a claim in the video with engineering superbeachnut Jun 2014 #57
I think you meant to say, which liberties. Many. Were you even alive on 911? snappyturtle Jun 2014 #63
There are lots of engineers who support the impact and fire cause of collapse. AZCat Jun 2014 #66
can't list the liberties lost, can't supply evidence to support AE911T lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #69
thank you snappyturtle and I agree completely. n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #68
projection of cognitive dissonance by 911 truth faith based followers: 911 truth has no evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #70
OK then WovenGems Jun 2014 #76
can be done! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #77
And if you mean "Occam's razor", not occums... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #78
And if you mean "hypothesis" William Seger Jun 2014 #81
you mean the one where... wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #82
911 truth has to have a complex plot, not a simple one superbeachnut Jun 2014 #79
The wait WovenGems Jun 2014 #80
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