Architects & Engineers for Truth!

[wildbilln864]

[superbeachnut]

1. Experts? A group of people who can't figure out 911 given 13 years, are not experts

911 Explosive Evidence is 911 Nonsense and lies, by failed paranoid conspiracy theorists. Armed with no evidence and no clue, Experts rounded up by Gage spread dumbed down opinions based on nothing. For rational people, this video could replace water boarding for torture.

[wildbilln864]

2. oh yeah, you figured it out though right!?

give me a friggin break!

[superbeachnut]

3. Gage's experts spew nonsense, not a thing is true, or backed with evidence - thermite nuts

Yes, I figured out Gage's claims are fantasy. After 13 years 911 truth is still a joke, and all their Pulitzer Prize winning claims (if true) are delusional fantasies based on nothing.

Proof, no one can pick any of their claims and make a case for an inside job, except in 911 truth followers fantasy world of woo.
Opinions are not evidence - the video is full of wild no evidence opinions, aka nonsense.

[wildbilln864]

4. your post is full of...

wild no evidence opinions, aka nonsense.

[superbeachnut]

5. can't pick a claim to support

why can't you pick a claim and prove it. Try the thermite fantasy.

Based on the claims, if true, the overwhelming evidence would earn a Pulitzer, yet you and all of 911 truth can't team with a newspaper to earn the biggest Pulitzer, bigger than Watergate.

What is stopping you and Gage from cashing in? You have no evidence to support the dumbed down lies/opinions Gage's failed followers have, and his experts spew mindlessly.

Where are you hiding the evidence? lol

911 truth, in the 13th year of failed opinions - Gage cashes in with 500k/yr selling lies to gullible donators. Gage wins, 911 truth followers stuck with dumbed down fantasy.
Why did you post the video of woo on 911, one of the dumbest videos made about 911.

the video is in the right place...
Creative Speculation, the video is in the correct place... Unless there is a Dumbed Down Fantasy Group.

[wildbilln864]

6. i don't have to prove anything ...

you're the one speculating here.

[superbeachnut]

7. No body is able to back up the claims; why

A video of so called experts ignored by all, save paranoid conspiracy theorists.

Why can't anyone take one of the claims in the video and prove the inside job implication?

Because they have no evidence, and offer wild speculation based on opinions, hearsay, fantasy, and ignorance.

[wildbilln864]

8. well that settles it then.

[superbeachnut]

9. Better as failed speculation, than Creative

I guess the video of dumbed down 911 truth claims fits in Creative Speculation. Gage pulls in 500k/yr selling this claptrap, taking in donations for his endless quest to spread lies about 911.


Yes,

Sums up all the evidence 911 truth has. But you missed and

[wildbilln864]

10. Gage pulls in 500k!?

evidence? no? well then. thanks for playing kiddo.

[superbeachnut]

11. agree, Gage has no evidence for his claims

It is true, Gage has no evidence, and this is why no one can team with a news paper for the biggest Pulitzer since Watergate. The inside job is nonsense, CD is nonsense, and thermite is insanity.

Who in 911 truth can prove any of Gage's key claims? Nobody.

911 truth can't play, they are not armed for the debate; no facts, no evidence.

[wildbilln864]

13. sounds like you're on a mission.

Hmmmm? And desperate!
They don't ever get to debate the facts.
You don't ever post facts AFAICT!
But go ahead and rant on.

[superbeachnut]

32. 911 truth followers have no clue what evidence is, experts spew delusional claims based on opinions

The video experts never debate facts, and have no evidence. Anyone with comprehension skills can see the video is filled with failed opinions based on ignronce, lies and fantasy. If the nuts spewing lies about 911 in the video had evidende in stead of dumbed down opinions, they would be famous, on 60 Mintues, able to team with a newspapper for the biggest Pultizer Prize since Watergate, Bigger than Watergate. But the video is nonsense, dumbed down claptrap so Gage makes money, he takes in $500,000 dollars a year in donations by doing nothing but fooling people who can't think for themselves, people who have no clue what evidence is.

911 truth followers never take action, they post this tripe in the fantasy sections of forums on the internet, like Bigfoot believers, or Holocaust deniers, not armed with the tools of critical thinking, instead immature and they know they have the evidence. They can't list their evidence, but in their fantasy based beliefs, they know they have evidence. Like faithful cult members they never present evidence, they ask questions, and spread the lies made up for them by the 911 truth experts. Experts who can't figure out 911 after 13 years, a few fringe paranoid conspiracy theorists spreading lies, and those dumbed down lies repeated freely by faithful followers, unable to figure out 911 due to ignorance. 911 truth followers ignore the reality based evidence and freely believe in lies. Lies McVeigh would eat up and repeat, lies the Boston bombers did repeat and eat up to fuel their Anti-American hate, two dumbed down nuts unable to see the lies. 911 truth followers the no action branch of a movement based on fantasy born in ignorance and bias.

Maybe the plot of 19 terrorists is too complex for 911 truth followers.

Complex plot of 911.
1. Take planes.
2. Crash planes.

Yes, the two steps, much too complex for the super followers of 911 truth, a movement of lies, founded with massive ignorance.

Too lazy to pick out claim to support, 911 truth followers blindly support lies, unknowingly due to a lack of knowledge, and no logic skills.

[wildbilln864]

33. yep...

you're on a mission. In vain.

[superbeachnut]

34. 911 truth fails to present evidence, video remains a fantasy based on ignorance

911 truth fails to present evidence, video remains a fantasy based on ignorance

Unable to defend a video of lies, 911 truth followers repeat their vast collection of evidence.

you're on a mission. In vain. - wildbiln864 evidence

Can't pick anything to defend? How much did you donate to Gage, and what action will you take to spread lies for Gage? Is posting the video in forums your only job for Gage? Spreading lies for Gage, does he pay you out of his $500,000 he took in last year.

Which is the best lie, the one you fell for first?

Is that all the evidence 911 truth followers have? You had 5 of these last time...

[wildbilln864]

35. wrong again!

your opinions not withstanding.

[superbeachnut]

36. Gage's experts believe in fantasy, have no evidence - a fact 911 truth followers ignore

your opinions not withstanding. - wildbilln864

It is a fact the video experts have nothing, no evidence. No one can help them find evidence for the fantasy claims. The video has people talking fantasy, stuff they made. They fooled the Boston bombers, and the rest of their believers are no action conspiracy theorists who failed to take physics in high school, and had poor grades. The video features old people who seem to be mentally challenged, and offer zero substance. They have no evidence, you can't find any evidence so you keep your posts filled with all the evidence 911 truth has. zero - a math term, and in the case of 911 truth, failure

Why can't you pick a claim and prove? Too hard. It is impossible since the video is based on fantasy inside job, fantasy CD, and the insanity of thermite. You don't understand eutectic, too lazy to go to a chemical engineer and learn the steel in FEMAs Appendix C is corroded from fires at 1000C and below, which you posted, and thus debunked the melted steel in the video you posted with comment.

Is Gage paying you to SPAM the internet with his dumbed down claims in the video? He take in $500,000.00, are you paid to spread lies, or do it for free.

"wrong again", is that projection. The 13th year of no action, no evidence, no coherent story on 911, 911 truth has failed out of box. Flight 93 Passengers figure out 911 in minutes, and 911 truth followers have no clue after 13 years. "wrong again", is what; another failed opinion from 911 truth

Which idiotic claim fooled you into believing in 911 truth lies

[wildbilln864]

37. I don't even read your posts anymore..

Rant on. You are just trying vainly to suppress questioning of the official story! You fail again!

[superbeachnut]

38. The video is full of nonsense

The video does not question the "official story". There is no government official story, there is what happened on 911, and the failed humans spreading lies in the video are not telling the truth, they are making up dumbed down claims of CD, thermite and other idiotic nonsense. The trash they spread is not what happened, it is some delusion the so called experts have made up out of ignorance, or due to mental issues. You can't take one claim and make a rational argument; because the claims are all opinions. 19 terrorists did 911 with four aircraft. A simple plot based on how we use to react and treat hijackings - now you can't hijack an aircraft like they did before 911.

I suspected who did 911 and how in a day. Why? because you have to be on a manifest to fly; on the first day the FBI was able to run all the passenger names and eliminate all but 19 as possible suspects. Why, because all the other passengers worse crimes were most likely tickets, or tax evasion, not killing Americans for sport.

Here you are 13 years after 911 believing lies so silly and dumbed down, only 0.1 percent of all real expert engineers, expert pilots, and scientist fall for or believe the lies of 911 truth.

Yet you fall for a fringe few who spew lies so idiotic it is funny if not for the those murdered on 911. There is no reason to lie about 911, it is an event, and it is so easy to see how stupid the claims in the video are based on what happened on 911. The government can't tell us what happened, we saw what happened. I know physics, I have a masters degree in engineering, I flew heavy jets and taught pilots to fly heavy jets, so it is hard for the idiots in the video to BS me, and their lies are so dirt dumb stupid it hurts to watch the video. It is sad idiots have a means to broadcast lies and fool people.

They fooled you, you can't figure out 911 without them telling you the "official story" is wrong. How can they tell you what you saw? You are the one who can't question your dirt dumb 911 truth official story, a story so stupid no one in 911 truth can say what happened on 911. Your official story is what? Right, nothing, no evidence, and no coherent story.

You let 19 murderers off by believing a video dumbed down so Gage can bilk donations from gullible people.

You are the one who has fallen for the "official nonsense" of 911 truth. And you know you are right and I am a big failure: I am the big failure who flew in the USAF for 28 years, and the 911 truth nuts say we in the USAF stood down - and they act so cool, making up lies, apologizing for 19 murderers with lies so silly they make no sense.

You read Appendix C from FEMA. It clearly shows the corroded steel was at 1000C or less, yet you say it melted. Steel can't melt at 1000C, it was attacked in fire and corroded, much like old cars' battery boxes. Yet you support liars by posting their video of lies, and read the report which debunks them. They show the corroded steel and say it melted, you read the report that debunks them, and you don't know it does; you lock on to the statement about the eutectic, and believe liars. I took a Chemical Engineering class, I understand Eutectic, and understand the report clearly says the steel corroded in fires at 1000C and less - verified by the study of the steel, and the eutectic found.

It only takes a grade school education and knowledge to debunk 911 truth lies and false claims. Why can't 911 truth followers treat 911 truth expert with the same skepticism they do with the so called "official story". Why?

BTW, you are no skeptical of the "official story", you are in complete ignorance of what happened on 911 and are letting so called experts do your thinking for you. It is easier, much easier to use other people to do your thinking. You are not skeptical, you are unarmed with the skills to see you have been fooled.

You are the winner, I lost, no wonder you and 911 truth have the Pulitzer.

I was on active duty on 911, and I find it most offensive 911 truth claim there was a "Stand Down". I find it anti-American, and a sign of ignorance. If there had been a stand down, the men and women of the USAF would come forward and expose that day.

I don't care if you call me failure, or stupid, I flew jets for my country, I worked as an engineer for my country, and you support liars who hate their country enough to remain in ignorance and spread lies about an event done by 19 idiots who wanted to kill Americans; and now you apologize for them, blaming me, remember I was in on the "stand down", the claim made by 911 truth. Thanks so much for supporting liars, and being the winner. I would rather be a big failure than support the anti-intellectual movement of failed ideas known as 911 truth. Keep up the good work, gee, 0.1 percent of all engineers, and all pilots are with you and your super duper claims of woo on 911.

In your mind you won - that is all that counts.

BTW, thanks for letting me fly supersonic trainers in pilot training, it was a blast...

God I was a dork - when I was commanding these big aircraft, I still looked like kid -

Flying heavy jet is the reason I don't fall for the lies from 911 truth on all the aircraft nonsense.
The USAF sent me back to grad school to get my Masters in Engineering, why it is very easy for me to see on face value all the claims in your/Gage video are dirt dumb stupid. DDS


Where is your Pulitzer? You won, where is it? Right, you have no evidence you laugh at me, and 911 truth claims we stood down. Too bad we are so good at things you can't catch us. We are all knowing, and no one can stop the NWO. lol

If you live in the US, thanks for funding my flying, and my degrees in Engineering, I had a ROTC scholarship. I am the official story, we won. lol -
I hope Gage is paying you to support him, otherwise you might want to seek a refund on any education you paid for.

IT was a pleasure serving my country, an honor I never deserved - and I am happy you have the freedom to believe lies and spread them. I served my country to protect that right; keep up the good work, don't be skeptical of the 911 truth lies you are joined by 0.1 percent of all pilots and engineers. A rate much less than mental illness, for what that is worth. Is it cool how no one in the USAF let the "stand down" order out... we never talk, we all have SCI Top SECRET DECODER RINGS

[wildbilln864]

39. flying jets doesn't mean shit! So did Bush!

That makes you an expert?
No!
There was molten steel at ground zero! Deny that all you want. It was still there and there were many eyewitnesses. There are absolutely no pictures to my knowledge of molten AL. And plenty of molten steel. There were iron microspheres found in the dust! There were witnesses that heard and experienced explosions before plane impacts! All of these eyewitnesses contradict your decade after the fact opinions! Plus much more. The buildings collapse at or near free fall! Anything I would endeavor to debate with you would be a waste of time. You will just deny and cite some hack website's speculation. You are not here to find the truth. Only to support the government's official conspiracy theory. And it's not working for you.

[superbeachnut]

41. flying jets, Aluminum jet, melts in fire, Bush trained same base as I, can you fly supersonic jets

There are absolutely no pictures to my knowledge of molten AL. - wildbilln864

Wow, you posted aluminum flowing out the side of the WTC, you deny it due to being fooled by 911 truth.


melted cladding, the entire face of the WTC is Aluminum, you missed it. The aircraft formed tons of melted aluminum inside the WTC.

Now your knowledge is increased. You fall for lies of melted steel. Got some samples? The ones in the video, the photos of corroded steel, are not melted, fooled by liars for Gage.

There was no thermite in the dust of the WTC, that is a lie too.

Have you contacted 60 Minutes yet? With a Pulitzer Prize winning story this big, why no action on your part to save the world.

Nope, the WTC towers and WTC 7 did not collapse close to free fall, get a new stop watch. WTC 7 was over 16 seconds, and WTC 1 and 2 took over 20 seconds to collapse, did you miss the core still standing. When we run a simple momentum model, we find the WTC collapse matched for much of the collapse. Physics, did you take physics or what.

The no action 911 truth movement, fooling those who can't do physics, or time the collapse. If I knew 911 was an inside job like you do, I would be on 60 Minutes the next day; guess your evidence is only talk, opinions, and failure to understand science. No action, no evidence, 911 truth. Gage makes money, 911 truth followers spread lies for free.

Got some photos of melted steel? no

[wildbilln864]

42. that's not aluminum and....

eyewitnesses saw molten steel. Temperatures remained very high 8 weeks after the collapses! Your speculation is just that! You wasn't there.
Cry all you want, doesn't change the fact that all you have is speculation and opinion.

[superbeachnut]

43. Yep, it was a aluminum, eyewitnesses saw melted aluminum, experts agree

How do you train eyewitnesses to identify melted steel? Is it a special course. Too bad you have no hard evidence, you have hearsay. Which eyewitness did you verify, and how did you verify the steel was melted, flowing. You already debunked the video showing corroded steel, by reading the report, it clearly explains the steel was below melting point, at or below 1000C, and thus not melted steel. Was the eutectic confusing.

Eyewitnesses saw melted steel, or molten steel? Did they take samples of the steel flowing, or did they start on fire from being so close?

How did you verify they saw melted steel. Wait, molten steel.

Yes, fires burned for week, if not months because there were over 220 acres of office contents, cars, gasoline, oil, tires burning in the pile. Fires burn for weeks. Thermite burns up in seconds, like a sparkler.

Office contents burning before collapse of the WTC towers were equal in heat energy to over 2,700 tons of thermite. Paper has more heat energy than thermite. Science debunks the false claim video.

Cry, I know the WTC was a fire caused gravity collapse, I use physics and fire science, not woo made up by paranoid conspiracy theorists Gage cherry picked because they believe in fantasy.

All I have is science - Gage has lies.
This is why Gage's lack of evidence has failed to produce anything more than fooling a fringe few, on the Internet; where all is true

How much melted steel was there? Where is it, no melted steel was found, or recycled on 911. Where did the melted steel go?
Where is the photo of a big chunk of melted steel? Aluminum was found, but no melted steel. Looks like the eyewitnesses were wrong, not qualified to identify steel flowing like a river - how hot is that river? Remember, thermite burns for seconds, wood and office fires can burn for months, if you have over 220 acres of office space crushed up into a few acres, a big pile.

[wildbilln864]

44. all you have is opinion but

I keep wondering who you're trying to convince.

[wildbilln864]

45. why so afraid?

the truth will set us free!

[superbeachnut]

46. Afraid. 911 truth is not about truth, it is about spreading anti-government lies

A bunch of old guys spreading lies for Gage, a video of BS, by BS artists. Experts at spreading lies. Why do they spread lies to mislead nuts like the Boston bombers with anti-government rant, and failed lies of CD, thermite and failed physics.

I don't like the spread of ignorance and anti-intellectual lies - and 911 truth followers fail to provide evidence, because there is no evidence for Gage's lies, and the fantasy of 911 truth. Lies about 911, supported with no facts, no evidence, and true believers are unalbe to explain, or support the lies they adopt.

19 terrorists did 911, and ruin hijacking for all failed nuts. The irony of Gage, he has nothing to offer for Flight 77, or Flight 93.

The first people to figure out 911 and take action... Flight 93 Passengers, figure out 911 in minutes, and took action to stop cowards who murder by surprise, and faking a hijacking. A simple plot playing on our society and customs, a plot by 19 to murder Americans as UBL promised in the 90s in an interview, which is why UBL was a suspect the instant Flight 175 instantly killed hundreds, and now 911 truth makes up lies about the murder of many by 19. Does Gage and his BS artists do it to find the truth; no, it is Gage's meal ticket, spreading lies and taking money from gullible people.

The truth is based in fact, and Gage spins lies that sound good to people who are prone to believe lies, and fantasy; unable to grasp the reality Flight 93 Passenger figured out clearly in minutes. 911 truth, 13 years and no clue, Flight 93 Passengers, took action in minutes.

Gage has no truth, no evidence. Your posts, zero evidence, you support wild claims and make no effort to prove one claim. A fact, you can't find the evidence, and thus, call my claims opinions, yet 19 terrorists are reality, and solely responsible for the damage, same as Flight 93 Passengers are solely responsible for stopping 4 faild humans from reaching the fourth target on 911.

13 years later, 911 truth followers, faith based followers spread lies about the murder of fellow citizens.

I am not afraid, Flight 93 Passengers are not like 911 truth followers who can't figure out 911 after 13 years, and not like the no action 911 truth followers who have no idea opinions are not evidence.

Never did like liars. But to lie and blame others is not right, and 911 truth makes up big lies and has no evidence; proved by the inability for anyone who believes this video to specifically spill the beans, present the evidence. Why can't you prove a claim, and garner the Biggest Pulitzer in History... Why, are you afraid?

To lie about 911 and blame ourselves, our government, our military, and ignore knowledge, physics, science, and use the biased political claptrap some old BS artist is a step back to the dark ages.

[wildbilln864]

47. It's about we want an investigation!

I figured it out 911 long ago!
The PNACers wanted a "new Pearl Harbor event".
So they helped W steal the election.
In return he appoints key PNACers to posts to make it happen.
They ignore warnings from those trying to prevent it.
Then the "new Pearl Harbor event" happens. Everybody connected gets richer. They got what they bargained for and anti-truthers help keep it covered up!
See. Pretty easy if you just let go of the official conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo.

Psst. you do know you're not convincing anyone don't you?

[William Seger]

48. If it was LIHOP

... why do you keep posting the AE911Truth bullshit? If it was LIHOP, then you and Gage and are helping keep it covered up.

Anyone truly interested in finding the truth should appreciate the efforts to weed out the bullshit. Why do you not?

[wildbilln864]

50. william you're not trying to weed out shit!

thanks for the laugh tho.

[William Seger]

71. Do you or do you not understand...

... that the crux of the argument I've been having with Balsamo is not a matter of subjective opinion or an unknown mystery of the universe? Do you understand that it is simply a question about what federal regulations say about aircraft design requirements, and why that matters in Balsamo's "impossible speed" claim? Do you understand that there is a very simple way to resolve who is right, by asking people who do it for a living?

Don't duck out on answering this one, wildbill. If you're going to slander me all over the board, you can damn well answer this one question, yes or no: Do you or do you not understand the paragraph above?

[wildbilln864]

72. What I do not understand is why I cannot see your posts now since...

blocking beachnut earlier. WTF!?
But I will reply to your post when I see specifically what you are talking about. Perhaps a temporary glitch?

[William Seger]

73. The most pathetic thing about the "truth movement"...

... is its name.

[wildbilln864]

75. why aren't your post showing up since I blocked beachnuts?

I saw I had a reply but didn't show in the thread so I had to the reply listed in "my posts" tab. That's strange.
Unless you're using the same IP addy?
hmmmm!?

[superbeachnut]

49. lies, anti-government lies of our government doing 911, doing the murders

Spreading lies that silly only help reinforce anti-American feeling in nuts like the Boston bombers. These lies you support at not about Bigfoot, these lies imply our government killed, and fuel the hate of idiots like Boston bombers, or the next McVeigh.

Why spread lies based on ignorance. Like melted steel. You failed to understand Appendix C study, and can't debunk the Video lie of melted steel.
Anyone can, with facts and evidence.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fema-appendix-c.3803/#post-109981

911 truth followers pick the easy road, why read and study when you can repeat already prepared lies for spreading freely. This no study approach helps save time, no study, no time. Avoid understanding you are evidence free, use your political biases to fuel the need to spread lies about Bush, when you don't need to. BTW, Bush is not president.

I don't have an official story, I have what happened, like super bowl results, you can't lie about an event, you do, but you can't. Why do you lie about 911? PNAC did not ask for a new Pearl Harbor, read the real statement, and learn.

If you want to lie, pick a subject which has no inspiration for future murderers like the Boston bombers, who use the lies to feel better about their hate, verify their hate, like you hate Bush. Gee, you have at least 50 percent with your hate of bush, you won, why make up dumbed down lies, when you already won. Are you wanting to inspire the next McVeigh?

[wildbilln864]

51. why the BS propaganda guys?

"“steel – which has a melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit – may weaken and bend, but does not melt during an ordinary office fire. Yet metallurgical studies on WTC steel brought back to WPI reveal that a novel phenomenon – called a eutectic reaction – occurred at the surface, causing intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.”"

"“A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges – which are curled like a paper scroll – have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes – some larger than a silver dollar – let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending – but not holes.”[15] "

"II-B Testimony from Other Professionals:

Leslie Robertson, a member of the engineering firm that designed the World Trade Center, said 21 days after the attack: “When we were down at the B1 level, one of the firefighters said, ‘I think you’d be interested in this,’ and they pulled up a big block of concrete and there was a, like a little river of steel, flowing.”[34]
Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health who arrived at Ground Zero September 12, 2001, said: “Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster.”[35]
In late fall 2001, Dr. Alison Geyh of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health reported: “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”[36
Joe Allbaugh, the Director of FEMA, said in an October 2001 interview on CBS: "It’s just too hot for rescuers to get into [some] areas. So we do not know yet what’s in those areas, other than very hot, molten material.”[37]
Dr. Keith Eaton reported in Structural Engineer: “They showed us many fascinating slides . . . ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster.”
Don Carson, a hazardous materials expert from the National Operating Engineers Union, said six weeks after 9/11: “There are pieces of steel being pulled out from as far as six stories underground that are still cherry red.”[38]

II-C. Testimony from Other Credible Witnesses:

Greg Fuchek, vice president of a company that supplied computer equipment used to identify human remains, reported that “sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel.”[39]

Sarah Atlas, of New Jersey’s Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue, arrived at Ground Zero on September 11 and reported that “fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet.”[40]
Tom Arterburn, writing in Waste Age, reported that the New York Department of Sanitation removed “everything from molten steel beams to human remains.”[41]

Rebuttal of Official Claims: Summary

1. The claim that no evidence of any molten steel or iron was found in any of the WTC buildings is strongly refuted by three scientific reports, one from a government agency (USGS).

2. John Gross’s claim that “no eyewitnesses said” that there was molten steel (or iron) was strongly and repeatedly contradicted.

3. The claim that molten steel or iron would be irrelevant because it could have been produced in the combustion pile: This would mean claiming, with no scientific evidence and no plausibility, that combustion in an oxygen-starved pile of rubbish could have heated steel to at least 1500°C (2800° F).

4. With regard to the NIST claim that molten steel or iron is “irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse” because “it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers [including WTC 7] were standing”: Given the fact that the molten steel or iron in the debris could not have been produced without incendiaries or explosives, the presence of either of them indicates that some of the steel was melted before, or during, the final moments of the collapses."

[superbeachnut]

61. cherry picking lies to support lies from experts spreading lies

The swiss cheese steel was corroded, not melted. proved by study... sorry, you already debunked this, but refuse to understand what a eutectic is.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fema-appendix-c.3803/#post-109981

Leslie Robertson said he did not see melted steel. That is what he says now. Repeating he saw melted steel is a lie. He might of misspoke, but now he say no steel. It makes sense, if he was next to a river of flowing steel, he would be dead. But keep up the lies of melted steel, it is funny how people quote mine and have no chemical analysis of any melted steel.

Zero melted steel found at the WTC. Sorry, but it would be photographed and studied like all the steel was before it was shipped away.

The steel that looked different was pulled and kept, and as much of the steel in the impacts areas was searched for. I guess you failed to read NIST. But you sure do Google up lies from 911 truth, and quote mine opinions and hearsay as good as 911 truth experts, better.

Steel was studied, no melted steel found

Steel was not shipped off instantly, it took 8 months to clean up - zero melted steel was found, no pools, no rivers, no melted steel.
Feel free to show a photo of melted steel.
We have heat damaged steel, but no melted steel. We have steel cut after 911, but no melted steel.

Not melted

Not melted

Cut after 911

[superbeachnut]

12. opinions, lies, hearsay, fantasy, Claims the Boston bombers would believe

Kathy McGrade, 15:24, without math, no physics, and zero engineering she gives an opinion, "the symmetry is the smoking gun - and the video shows a not symmetrical collapse, and the penthouse collapsed first through WTC 7. The collapse was not symmetrical. The entire video is opinion, no engineering, only talk from a fringe few who can't do engineering, they do woo and are involved in the biggest anti-intellectual movement on earth the failed 911 truth movement. What did it in her fantasy, silent explosives or thermite. How did the MIB get explosives and thermite which leaves no evidence.

Where is Kathy McGrade paper supporting her claims? Why is she unable to understand how WTC 7 was built? Why is she unable to see the big kink in the roof of WTC, which means no symmetry. Does 911 truth ban math, so symmetry is not known.


LOL, 17:07, the biggest BS is Danny Jowenko who calls WTC 7 CD, but WTC 1 and WTC 2 are not - Danny says no CD on the Towers. Danny is 67 percent right, Gage is 100 percent wrong. This is comedy as idiots join Gage's fantasy and lies, as Gage travel club for one, or is it his girl friend too, funded on donations from dumbed down donors.
It gets worse the paranoid conspiracy theorists think Danny was killed because he spoke out - yet, he said no CD on the towers. Conspiracy theorists, 911 truth followers are not the sharpest tools in the box of woo known as 911 truth.

No wonder you can't support any of the opinions with facts and evidence, they have nothing. Zip, a math term for zero.

[wildbilln864]

14. Um...

No wonder you can't support any of your opinions with facts and evidence, you have nothing. Zip, a math term for zero.

[superbeachnut]

15. 9/11 Lies by paranoid conspiracy theorists, Gage calls them experts

9/11 Lies by paranoid conspiracy theorists, Gage calls them experts

The first thing that jumps out about the failed 911 truth movement, now in it's 13th year of woo, the failed logic, and cherry picking they have to do to fail, and spread lies.
17:07, Danny Jowenko says WTC 7 CD, but WTC 1 and WTC 2 are not. 911 truth, gets a 33 percent endorsement from Danny. 911 truth 100 percent wrong. Danny, 67 percent right.

Why can't 911 truth discuss the issues? I have seen their evidence.

911 truth evidence - - self-debunking
They have no evidence, and prove it by not posting evidence, only posting failed videos filled with delusional opinions based on ignorance.

Fake experts speak up, and have no clue what they are talking about.
28:00, shows corroded steel, damaged by fire, from 800 to 1000 C. It did not melt, yet the speaker says it melted. A liar, who spreads his lie out of ignorance. The steel was studied and has a paper on it - proves the steel did not melt, it was corroded in fire. Makes the Video a lie, Gage is a liar, the video is filled with lies which fool dumbed down followers, unable to do chemistry, physics, and engineering. The idiot in video has no clue the steel was studied, he must of spent zero time researching 911, and is a liar, or dumber than dirt. Sorry dirt.
http://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1512-20490-8452/403_apc.pdf
Melted steel debunked, why can't followers of 911 truth join reality? Ignorance or apathy.

[wildbilln864]

16. from your fema.gov link

"Evidence of a severe high
temperature corrosion attack on
the steel, including oxidation
and sulfidation with subsequent
intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface
microstructure. "



and:
"The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that
the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000°C (1,800°F), which is substantially
lower than would be expected for melting this steel. "

[superbeachnut]

18. Corroded steel, not melted - reading comprehension... Chemical Engineering required for some

It was corroded steel, not melted - reading comprehension... Chemical Engineering

From the paper, it was corroded steel, not melted. The paper talks about a eutectic of iron and sulfur, and it formed at 1000c and below. 911 truth followers quote mine the intergranular melting, and make up melted steel due to zero knowledge of chemical engineering.

The melting temperature of steel? 1000C, the highest temperature the corroded steel was exposed to. 911 truth experts lie, and they fooled 911 truth followers because they don't know what a eutectic is, and 911 truth followers have no clue what temperature steel melts at. Thus, 911 truth followers fine "melting", stop reading, stop thinking, and fall for the dumbed down lies of 911 truth. Calling corrosion melted steel, the best 911 truth can do; Lie.

A eutectic is? Did 911 truth followers take ChemEng 101? I did, as an engineer, I find the video so dumbed down, it is self-debunking. The video has no evidence, only opinions dumbed down to fool 911 truth followers who fail to think for themselves, they stop at "melting", and stop thinking. Big failure, 911 truth, the 13th year of woo, going for infinity and beyond ignorance

[wildbilln864]

20. either keep up or learn english.

"with subsequent
intergranular melting,"
The key word here is "melting". Get a dictionary if you need one.

[superbeachnut]

74. Debunked 911 truth's melted steel claims, but failed to realize it, steel can't melt at 1000C

No the key word is temperature less than 1000C, thus no melted steel. The key to intergranular melting is the eutectic, which you might not understand, it is chemical engineering. Did you take chemical engineering. If you understand eutectic, you would know there was no melted steel. But most 911 truth followers see "melting", ignore the 1000C and less temperatures, and they are convinced the lie of melted steel made up by failed experts in 911 truth is the truth. Failing to check or gain understanding of chemical engineering, they fall for the fantasy due to lack of knowledge, lack of comprehension of what the paper means.

Again you have essentially debunked the lie of melted steel, but you failed to the woo side, and repeat melted steel lie, having no idea you read the rebuttal, and are quote mining a source which debunks melted steel as you declare victory with "intergranular melting" due to a new material formed in fires 1000C and below, forming a eutectic which melts below 1000C. You really did debunk 911 truth's melted steel, but you don't know it, and unknowingly due to lack of understanding of what you read, remain stuck with what is now a delusional fantasy based on your own failure to comprehend the paper.

You will need a chemical engineer to explain this to you, or a layperson with comprehension skills. The paper you quote-mine clearly debunks melted steel if you understood eutectic. You don't understand what eutectic is. I cheated, in college I took Chemical Engineering 101 as an elective for my engineering degree. My college roommate was/is a Chemical Engineer. It is too easy for me to see 911 truth is spreading lies of melted steel, and they use the same quote mining technique you used. Just find the term melted, or molten and repeat the quote mine.

Better go tell 60 Minutes you got the proof - a paper you don't understand debunks your claim of melted steel.

Why can't you find a photo of the solid melted river of steel? Where are you photos?

The key is corrosion, 911 truth fails to understand corroded steel, and calls it melted, and people fall for the lie.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fema-appendix-c.3803/ You proved you are wrong with the term "intergranular melting", and don't know it, and will not seek help from a real expert. I have a masters in engineering, what did the expert who lied to you in the video have? A masters in woo, or BS Artistry.

[superbeachnut]

26. steel beam 1000C, not melted, you debunked the video. Good job

You debunked the melted steel - in one post you proved steel only got to 1000C, not melted steel.

I did not know you were debunking the video - you did it.

[wildbilln864]

17. also:

[superbeachnut]

19. wow, where is the Pulitzer Prize for this one

wow, sparks falling, and turning into silvery things, looks like aluminum with other slag metals that melt in office fires. oh man, another fail for 911 truth

Next time edit out the stuff turning into silvery stuff before you post it.

[wildbilln864]

21. so what temperature do you think...

Al turns yellow and orange?

[superbeachnut]

22. 911 truth followers always ask questions, never able to answer them

In office fires, it is slag metal and junk from the WTC pushed into the corner. Office fire, there was zero thermite, zero explosives. Not sure why 911 truth lie about things, apologize for 19 terrorists and make up fantasy dumber than dirt. Why does 911 truth lie. Fantasy is easy, you offer zero proof, you ask questions you seem to be unable to answer; why can't you answer your questions? Lack of knowledge?

If your claims are true, you can team with a newspaper and get the Pulitzer Prize, like they did for Watergate, yet here you are, unable to answer your questions, stuck with lies from a failed movement. 60 Minutes would laugh at your claims, and 20/20 would ignore you. Stuck posting lies here. Unable to read Appendix C, and understand corroded steel in fire. No clue what a eutectic is, no idea what temperature stuff glows at, no clue what ashes look like from fire.

Fooled by 911 truth on the WTC issues, made up by so called experts, who say what about 77, or 93. Half of 911 is left, and your experts have no evidence on the WTC, what will they do with 93, and 77?

Who did 911 in your fantasy? Oops, a question, 911 truth followers never answer questions, they only ask questions, JAQ. followers fail to make it to 60 Minutes with overwhelming evidence

If I had your overwhelming evidence, I would have a Pulitzer Prize, only having to pick a newspaper to team up with. You have nothing but opinions, and you don't realize it. Where is the Pulitzer.

[wildbilln864]

24. again you avoid a simple question.

I wonder why.

[superbeachnut]

25. why can't 911 truth answer questions they ask? no knowledge

You can't answer your questions, you don't know what slag looks like, and you believe lies from a video with no evidence.

Answer your questions, provide proof. You can't, you never will. You believe lies on faith, have no clue the evidence is opinions. You have no idea what a eutectic is, and quote mine a report which explains corroded steel only reached 1000C in fire, and the corrosion was caused by fire.

Then you show embers falling from the WTC, and prove the WTC was on fire. The falling sparks don't prove anything, yet you have some fantasy you can't explain, can't prove, and offer nothing but woo from a failed video made to increase donations from people who can't think for themselves.

Take the video to 60 Minutes. good luck

I wonder why you can't get 60 Minutes to do this story. Got an excuse for that -

No evidence, so you will ask another question - 911 truth, JAQs, no evidence.

[superbeachnut]

23. Expert not an engineer, has no clue, not an expert on fire and structural engineering

38:50, Lynn Margulis lies about 911, claims to have overwhelming evidence, and fails to produce any. Gage uses the National Medal of Science winner to spread lies. Is Lynn Margulis a structural engineer, or a failed paranoid conspiracy theorist. How can Lynn Margulis say it was CD, she is a microbiologist. Wow, she has no clue what structural engineering is, so she makes up a lie, it was CD, claims to have overwhelming evidence, and fools people. She is no expert on steel-framed skyscrapers, she is a fraud on 911 issue, repeating lies based on opinions, hearsay, and dumbed down lies.

[superbeachnut]

27. Gage's claims debunked - 911 truth video proves 911 truth has no evidence

39:05 - Gage's chart of nonsense, which fools 911 truth followers. Gage presents his list of opinions to dumbed down audiences to sustain the donations, and use them to travel, buy new suits, eat at fancy hotels, pay himself 85,000 dollars, avoiding the 25 percent bracket. 500k/yr on travel, food, hotels, etc. Imagine the money if this was a reality based movement, instead of 500,000, he could take in 5,000,000 dollars. Selling lies is fringe market, only gullible people donate.

911 truth followers never check Gage's fake claims, as true believers, unable to check the work, due to laziness or ignorance, or both. Followers blindly repeat lies, live in a fantasy world of CD, unable to extend the nonsense to Flights 77 and 93 in a rational or logical way. 911 truth followers take no action, and fellow believers in this nonsense include the Boston bombers, and Holocaust deniers. Gage spreads lies, makes a living doing it. Gullible followers funding Gage's 500k/yr fraud non-profit spreading lies club. Stupid claims make money, and believers don't care to check fake claims, dumbed down opinions, because 911 truth followers count the fake claims and opinions as evidence; confirming 911 truth follower's ignorance.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-ae911truths-wtc7-explosive-demolition-hypothesis.1727/
Gage, debunked. Anyone can debunk Gage, once they break the illusion, seeing their evidence is talk, opinions, lies, fantasy, fake claims, and nonsense.

[wildbilln864]

28. i can only guess

you just don't understand. not my responsibility to teach you either. you convinced yourself so good luck with that. Still though, 9/11 was a false flag op!

[superbeachnut]

29. false flag fantasy

If you have evidence post it, if not, enjoy the lies, fantasy, hearsay, failed claims, silly opinions, all based on ignorance.

A false flag operation would be Pulitzer Prize winning stuff, and it would have been earned in the first year after 911. You post a failed video of opinions, and think you have solved the inside job, false flag. You have nothing, and can't support a single claim with real evidence.

You can't do a thing with your claims, and have no evidence. What will you do? Nothing

13th year of lies from 911 truth, and zero progress, due to zero evidence.

What did 60 Minutes say? You called them, right


Did you call the FBI, withholding evidence of murder is a crime - have you called the FBI with your overwhelming evidence? NO, you don't have anything of substance, and will be doing nothing about 911, ever. 911 truth, the do nothing movement based on ignorance.

[wildbilln864]

31. blah blah, yada yada!

you are acting very childish. Believe what you want, I don't care.

[superbeachnut]

30. 9/11: explosives evidence Experts Lie about 9/11

"Only two airplanes struck, but three buildings collapsed at free-fall velocities on that same day." - Lynn Margulis

wow, no evidence, just talk, 911 truth experts don't do evidence

Three buildings did not fall at free-fall velocities. Lynn Margulis has no clue what a free-fall velocity is, she should be saying free-fall acceleration. The buildings did not fall at g, they collapsed much slower. Lynn Margulis is not very good at spreading lies.

What is free fall velocity? 911 truth followers have no idea, is it 60 mph, 120 mph. lol, physics, banned in 911 truth fantasy land.


No Pulitzer yet, no big 60 Minutes episode

[superbeachnut]

40. Why no Pulitzer Prize for this breaking news (lol) - Pulitzer, not for liars

With dumbed down claims, there is no Pulitzer for 911. Nobody will team with liars.

These failed experts have no evidence. Not one claim is supported with facts and evidence. As seen in the this thread, the OP author can't pick any of the claims and prove them.

The OP author read Appendix C, and proved steel did not melt. Yet keeps saying steel melted at the WTC, and has zero evidence.

[wildbilln864]

52. Ummmm....

[wildbilln864]

53. What's this?

[superbeachnut]

59. Steel corroded in fire, not melted, 911 truth experts lied due to ignorance, hate of their country

Steel corroded in fire, at temperatures way below melting point of steel.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fema-appendix-c.3803/#post-109981

no evidence yet for the lies in the video; the reason they are lies, no evidence

[wildbilln864]

60. steel corroded in fire!?

Now that thar's funny!

metabunk?
that means a whole lot of bunk for sure! thanks again.

[superbeachnut]

62. Laughing at science, 911 truth's only product, laughing at the lies they spread about 911

Oops, steel corroded in fire. And you posted a photo of steel corroded in fire.

Along with Appendix C from FEMA, and this thread
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fema-appendix-c.3803/#post-109981
We have the steel studied, and it never got hotter than an office fire. But go ahead, ignore science and spread lies of melted steel. Lie about the murder of thousands, it seems to be a right of free speech to spread lies about an event - does 911 truth lie about who won the super bowl like they do 911.

Go ahead log in at Metabunk and spread your overwhelming evidence; bet 911 truth can't debunk science. I win

Is the laughing gif 911 truth's only evidence

[wildbilln864]

64. projecting again I see.

oh well. some things never change.
Why you keep posting someone else's wild speculation anyway?

[wildbilln864]

65. psssst! this here:

"The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. [My emphasis] A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.""

is pure speculation. Hence the words, "No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified."
and "unknown", "it is possible", "It is also possible", "A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed"! And so on. Basically means they do not know! But you knew that right.

[AZCat]

67. That's why the NIST addressed it in their subsequent report.

Everybody seems to forget that and instead focus on the FEMA report.

[wildbilln864]

54. How thermite is used...

the columns are cut at an angle so gravity can pull the upper part down the angle and off it's support.

[superbeachnut]

58. Not thermite explosives, and a cut made on WTC steel after 911 - no evidence yet

The first photo is explosives used for CD, not cuts made on 911. The second photo were cuts made after 911, for clean up. No thermite damage was found on WTC steel. 911 truth experts lied.

[wildbilln864]

55. Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Md., said molten steel was

http://wtc7.net/cache/wtc7.htm

[snappyturtle]

56. Lots of cognitive dissonance in the USA over 911. I don't for a minute buy

the official version of what happened. This video is only an easily digestible summary....if only folks would explore the topic, after all, it was the absolute beginning of the loss of our civil liberties. Thank you for posting this...K&R.

[superbeachnut]

57. which liberty was taken away - why can't anyone support a claim in the video with engineering

List the civil liberties you lost, and then support each opinion in the video and make it real. Try using engineering, because engineers, 99.9 percent say the WTC fell due to impacts and fire, and WTC 7 collapsed due to fires not fought. Which civil liberty did you lose?

Which failed opinion can you save from being a lie? None.

done

[snappyturtle]

63. I think you meant to say, which liberties. Many. Were you even alive on 911?

Obviously, you don't recall the enactment of the first Patriot Act that mysteriously was complexly formulated in legislative speed...who knew Congress could act so quickly? Then subsequent to that the often renewed NDAA, many EOs, and Presidentail directives. Does habeas corpus ring a bell? 911 was the beginning of the loss.

You've destroyed the entire thread with your denials and by doing so have discouraged any thoughtful discussion. Ante up your engineers of whom you claim the towers fell due to impact (LOL) and fire. eom

However, I won't be replying to you anymore.

[AZCat]

66. There are lots of engineers who support the impact and fire cause of collapse.

AE911Truth represents a small percentage of the overall engineering community.

[superbeachnut]

69. can't list the liberties lost, can't supply evidence to support AE911T lies

911 truth followers usually declare victory, run away, and avoid exposing they have no evidence

The acting paranoid, implying the Patriot Act was pre-written, part of a failed fantasy inside job for 911.

Making up a silly claim I am younger than 13, the reality I was on active duty on 911 in the USAF. 911 truth makes up the "stand down" lie, spreading nonsense about my fellow soldiers.

It is best to leave, 911 truth has no evidence to support the claims AE911T makes. Thus AE911T claims are BS, fantasy, lies.

Too hard to find evidence, so it is best to say, as you did, "However, I won't be replying to you anymore." Retreat is the best thing to do when you have nothing to support the lies you support with paranoid conspiracy claims, kind of a special kind of Gish Gallop.

How can 911 truth have thoughtful discussion when all 911 truth brings to the table, fantasy lies based on ignorance. Like discussing Bigfoot, thoughtful discussion is more like silly discussion based on illusion.

Bring on the thoughtful discussion, where is the evidence to support the claims made by AE911T? If your really take the time and do the thoughtful research, you would find AE911T is a group based on fraud, spreading lies about 911. Can 911 truth followers turn skeptic and recover from the faith based movement of lies, 911 truth.

Where is the list of liberties lost? Where is your evidence?

[wildbilln864]

68. thank you snappyturtle and I agree completely. n/t

[superbeachnut]

70. projection of cognitive dissonance by 911 truth faith based followers: 911 truth has no evidence

The video is nonsense. You can't support a single claim with evidence. This is what happens when a video presents false claims, and silly fantasy. The fake experts in the film use no evidence to make up their fake claims, and opinions. With zero evidence, you will find it impossible to support the fantasy summary and claims made in the video. Thus, you will leave, run along and keep the 911 truth faith based fantasy safe from reality.

The video is BS, a big reason why 60 Minutes, 20/20, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, even FOX will not be doing more than exposing 911 truth as a failed paranoid conspiracy theorists movement based on ignorance.

Got some evidence? No, and 911 truth never will. In the 13th year of no evidence, can 911 truth followers take their evidence and move to support Bigfoot? yes, the same evidence works with bigfoot: zero evidence


The melted steel claim is dumber than dirt.

Video at 28:00, shows corroded steel, damaged by office fire, from 800 to 1000 C. It did not melt. The speaker lies and claims the steel melted. Why are the dumbest lies from 911 truth the most believed lies.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/fema-appendix-c.3803/#post-109981
Even FEMA figure out it is corroded steel, and 911 truth can't. 13 years of can't, from 911 truth.


Experts?
Video at 38:50, Lynn Margulis lies about 911, claims to have overwhelming evidence, Lynn Margulis IS NOT a structural engineer, ... Lynn Margulis a microbiologist has a fantasy of CD - no evidence.

[WovenGems]

76. OK then

If a conspiracy then please tell me where I may find the people who have no souls to do this. Answer, can't be done. Thus no inside job. Should I mention Occums Razor?

[wildbilln864]

77. can be done!

[wildbilln864]

78. And if you mean "Occam's razor", not occums...

Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor and in Latin lex parsimoniae) is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in problem-solving devised by William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347). It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

The key word being "hypothesis".
a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation. Then yes a false flag operation fits nicely! Time for further investigation.

[William Seger]

81. And if you mean "hypothesis"

... surely there's a better term to describe an unfounded speculation that's used as an excuse to IGNORE the actual evidence as a starting point for further speculations?

Ah, yes, I believe it's called a "conspiracy theory."

[wildbilln864]

82. you mean the one where...

19 hijackers commandeered 4 passenger planes with box cutters defeating the most powerful nation in the worlds defenses and knocking down three towers using only two planes of which 15 were from Saudi Arabia, so we attacked Iraq? That conspiracy theory?

[superbeachnut]

79. 911 truth has to have a complex plot, not a simple one

Thousands of people are in on the 911 truth fantasy plot dumbed down for paranoid conspiracy theorists.

With the Passengers of Flight 93 figuring out 911 first, in minutes, how can 911 truth do better at failing; take 13 years and ignore evidence, make up crazy claims. After you fail to figure out 911 for 13 years, you have to make up lies and fantasy.

The plot of 911 is way to complex for 911 truth followers. Followers, not leaders.

Plot of 911.
1. Take planes.
2. Crash planes.

Way to complex for 911 truth followers.

AE911 truth engineers represent less than 0.1 percent of all engineers. These AE911T engineers have presented zero evidence to support their idiotic inside job CD fantasy. 13 years and no clue from AE911T, as Richard Gage, a failed architect takes in 500k/yr by selling lies and mocking the dead of 911. What a great American, selling lies, taking money from the gullible too lazy to figure out 911 after 13 years.

oops, wait, the best 911 truth can do is think they are correcting your post, as if they don't understand your post, and oops, the terrorist 2 step plot fits your take on 911. Why can't 911 truth figure out what your post means... 911 truth can google Occam's razor/Ockham's razor, but they can't figure out 911 after 13 years. If they could apply that kind of simple research to 911, they would not be fooled by 911 truth fantasy dumbed down for conspiracy theorists. They can look up Occam's razor, but they can't figure out 911 - and extra credit conspiracy theorist, they think their complex theory for 911 fits Occam's razor. Plus they have no clue what physics is.

[WovenGems]

80. The wait

One would have wait till cows can fly to find why some believe in a conspiracy rather than a well planned terrorist event. The only part the terrorists got wrong was failing to take into account almost all have cell phones and it was calls to loved ones that undid plane number 4.