Creative Speculation

frogmarch

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75. I just now saw your post.

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:56 PM

Feb 2013

I agree that just because most alien abduction stories have been shown to be false, the door shouldn't be automatically slammed shut on all of them. I don't believe aliens are abducting people, but I think such claims should be investigated on a case-by-case basis, not lumped together and dismissed out of hand.

I wonder if some if not all of the "abductions" that aren't hoaxes are related to sleep paralysis. In an episode I once had, Jesus appeared at my bedside and attempted to cut out my brain. I knew it wasn't real, because I'm an atheist and consider Jesus a myth. (I suppose that's why "he" wanted to get rid of my brain.)

Anyway, since I think it's possible that intelligent ETs exist somewhere out there, maybe if in a sleep paralysis episode I thought I was being abducted by ETs, I'd believe it. Wait, no I wouldn't. I'd realize it was sleep paralysis.

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SKEPTIC - The Physics of UFOs [View all] frogmarch Jan 2013 OP

All of man's established religions... fadedrose Jan 2013 #1

Really? You believe aliens visit earth often? My proof they are not is that..... Logical Jan 2013 #2

There is no proof that we know about and fadedrose Jan 2013 #3

"no proof they don't visit"? Really, well hell..... Logical Jan 2013 #4

If I don't care if you don't believe what I believe fadedrose Jan 2013 #5

Spill the beans, dude... where's the cure? gtar100 Jan 2013 #6

:-) Logical Jan 2013 #7

what kind of "proof" would you accept? NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #15

Then what would stop be from believing in everything? Ghosts? ESP? All religions. Etc? n-t Logical Jan 2013 #17

up to you to discriminate NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #19

Please provide your BEST case evidence for a UFO. One incident that convinced you they are aliens! Logical Jan 2013 #21

there isn't one best, but lots of things NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #23

Cool I will read about it. Believe me, I would 100% welcome UFO proof. I have wanted it since I... Logical Jan 2013 #27

well, it's really an accumulation of evidence that seals it for me NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #28

Booo. UFO skeptics are no fun. Quantess Jan 2013 #8

I think it’s possible frogmarch Jan 2013 #9

I enjoy a good alien story before bedtime, I really do. Quantess Jan 2013 #11

That's pretty much my take on it too. frogmarch Jan 2013 #13

why don't you think the Rendlesham forest incident is a good example anymore? NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #16

The two airmen frogmarch Jan 2013 #18

that's the "standard" debunking NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #20

An extremely bright fireball frogmarch Jan 2013 #22

because there is way more to the story than just these few points. NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #24

haha! yes, I have, but OMG frogmarch Jan 2013 #26

there are some decent documentaries on Youtube on it NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #29

The highest level of frogmarch Jan 2013 #30

Penniston's story may be exaggerated or false NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #31

Enter Skip Buran and Kevin Conde frogmarch Jan 2013 #32

thanks... I looked that over and found some other stuff on FB NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #37

(8-06-2011) Col. Conrad agrees it may have been a hoax frogmarch Jan 2013 #38

sorry, but you are pushing the idea that it was all a hoax NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #39

aw geez frogmarch Jan 2013 #41

aw, geez, what? NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #44

"There is evidence going both ways" zappaman Jan 2013 #42

well, I'm sorry, but there is. NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #43

Saying "coverup" and "disinformation" is not evidence. zappaman Jan 2013 #45

there's no evidence... right.... NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #46

Eyewitnesses see UFOs all the time zappaman Jan 2013 #47

but the accounts are evidence of something very strange NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #48

Sure, I agree there is likely life out there somewhere... zappaman Jan 2013 #49

I doubt that's all they do... and how the heck can you comprehend what an alien would do anyway? NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #50

"likely tamper with it"? zappaman Jan 2013 #51

Do you get the feeling that frogmarch Jan 2013 #52

Well, it IS creative... n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #53

here are some NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #54

Lt. Col. Charles Halt of Rendlesham Forest fame frogmarch Jan 2013 #55

there are others-- Salas, for instance NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #59

Some of the cases are frogmarch Jan 2013 #60

what kind of indisputable evidence do you want? NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #62

Physical evidence such as frogmarch Jan 2013 #63

Exactly. zappaman Jan 2013 #64

Similar thoughts here too. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #56

I saw a UFO a few hours ago... zappaman Jan 2013 #10

I MAY have seen the same thing ! Was it silver ? BlueJazz Jan 2013 #12

amen! NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #14

btw, this reminds me very much of a book I read on debunking alien abductions NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #25

I just now saw your post. frogmarch Feb 2013 #75

Clancy's thesis was that the abductions were sleep paralysis NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #76

No, not sarcasm. frogmarch Feb 2013 #78

The author acknowledges the 'huge hole' right off the bat, so it's not really AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #80

I don't remember the author acknowledging anything like that NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #81

It's in the first chapter, IIRC. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #82

you seem to have left out a key word NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #83

I didn't leave it out. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #84

square brackets are used for the HTML code here NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #85

I've always wondered.... ti66er8pooh Jan 2013 #33

Ah, yes, the lights! frogmarch Jan 2013 #34

Now that makes sense! zappaman Jan 2013 #35

Yep. frogmarch Jan 2013 #36

hahahahaha! NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #40

I don't have the link now, but I have read speculation they could be a billion years or so more RKP5637 Jan 2013 #57

The thing is, we assume we are a remote post, because we don't know how they do it Amonester Feb 2013 #65

Yep!!! Quite true!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #66

When I was in my teens (late sixties...) I remember seeing a movie :) Amonester Feb 2013 #67

It will happen, just a matter of time, so to say, LOL. RKP5637 Feb 2013 #68

It would happen if this 'agressive' species of ours would learn something from History... Amonester Feb 2013 #69

I've often told people, and I've been very serious, only intergalactic intervention RKP5637 Feb 2013 #70

I have big doubts any of these 'visitors' will ever intervene. Amonester Feb 2013 #71

Probably right! In the big scheme of things, why worry about a spinning ball of dirt with RKP5637 Feb 2013 #72

I saw one in 1973 so I believe. BobbyBoring Jan 2013 #58

I can understand frogmarch Jan 2013 #61

James Fox to Announce $100,000 UFO Reward for Proof of an ET Spacecraft zappaman Feb 2013 #73

The “best proof” frogmarch Feb 2013 #74

if we assume the govt is covering up evidence of aliens in the name of national security NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #77

I don't think the government is frogmarch Feb 2013 #79

The Anchorage Incident - John Callahan Testimony razee Mar 2013 #86

Interesting! Thanks for posting it. frogmarch Mar 2013 #87

Back in the 80's I saw this one razee Mar 2013 #88

Cool! I'd love to see frogmarch Mar 2013 #89