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In reply to the discussion: Mondoweiss: Are comparisons of South African apartheid and Israel useful? [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)14. The 2nd paragraph you quoted proves it. The paper is about Apartheid....
In response to Israeli Arabs possessing civil rights (cited as refutation of the claim Israel is Apartheid) he says that's a deceptive claim. That's in the first 3 lines of the 2nd paragraph you quoted. What's deceptive? That proves there's no Apartheid within Israel. But the authors don't agree with that. They've written at least one book on the subject. Find where they state clearly there is NO APARTHEID within Israel, or just concede the argument.
The authors blew it when they gave a definition of Apartheid...
Apartheid was a system of enforced segregation based on race or ethnicity, put in place by an exclusive, self defined group in order to consolidate colonial conquest particular to cement its hold on the land and natural resources.
1. It's not based on race & ethnicity. Rights are based SOLELY on citizenship & you know that. In fact, you don't even attempt to refute that because it's so flipping obvious.
2. What's this exclusive self defined group consolidating colonial conquest? Jews? No, it's Israel with a 20% Arab population. The same ethnicity as Palestinians in the W.Bank. Jews also aren't colonists. They're indigenous to Israel, Judea, Samaria, Gaza..
3. The last part is the best because Israel is not trying to cement its hold on the land & natural resources. They've recognized Palestinian aspirations for their own land and have offered to hand over all that territory to the PA several times for their own state - free of Occupation and Settlements. Free of alleged "apartheid". It's the Palestinians who feel their situation now is preferable to having their own state free of Occupation, settlements, "apartheid". The PA & Hamas perpetuates the situation, not Israel. No other oppressed people on the planet would keep saying "NO" to their own state or "NO" to ending oppression against them. You know that.
This Apartheid slander is nothing but lies and incitement.
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Mondoweiss: Are comparisons of South African apartheid and Israel useful? [View all]
Little Tich
Jun 2016
OP
Your argument isn't very convincing - according to your logic, slavery in the antebellum South
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#5
It's called occupation, not apartheid. Whatever separation there is is based on citizenship....
shira
Jun 2016
#13
Yor argument isn't very convincing - according to you, there was never any Apartheid in South Africa
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#16
The PA only has very limited powers - it's completely under IDF jurisdiction,
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#23
That's complete bullshit. The UN recognizes the Palestinian gov't & Israel has no control....
shira
Jun 2016
#24
So the guy who shot Kathryn Steinle should be deported instead of charged with a crime???
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#28
(allAfrica): South Africa: Are Comparisons of South African Apartheid and Israel Useful?
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#4
See #2. Until the 'Apartheid' camp addresses that, they're all disingenuous Jew-baiters.
shira
Jun 2016
#6
Short answer: no. Next question: is posting anti-Semitic crap from Mondoweiss useful?
Fozzledick
Jun 2016
#8
The OP avoids making a conclusion whether the situation in the occupied territories and Israel
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#15
I'm beginning to see why you don't understand Atzmon's argumentation in all those other threads...
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#19
In a way, you're excluding yourself from discussing the viability of the Apartheid analogy if you
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#25
I and everyone else - including BDS leaders - know Atzmon's crap is antisemitic...
shira
Jun 2016
#22
To be clear, your BEST case for Apartheid is in area C....not areas A or B or in Gaza.
shira
Jun 2016
#20
Zochrot: Second panel | Live testimonies Amnon Neumann - Jewish witness – 1948 fighter
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#36