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Little Tich

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12. The OP doesn't accuse Israel of Apartheid against Israeli Arabs.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jun 2016

It describes some of the legal discrimination against Israeli Arabs and points out that Israeli Arabs have at the same basic civil rights. The OP doesn't follow through with a conclusion whether it's actually Apartheid or not:

In response, apologists for Israel’s policies have attempted to relocate the comparison. When measured against the civil rights records of other Middle Eastern countries, they respond, the Palestinian minority within Israel enjoys significant rights. Palestinian Israelis vote, participate in national elections through legal political parties, and sit in the Knesset—all things that would have been unthinkable for Black South Africans under apartheid.


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Second, it is true that Palestinians currently living in Israel (that is, those who were not expelled in 1948) possess civil rights. This fact is often cited as a refutation of the claim that Israel is an apartheid state. These claims are deceptive. Israeli law institutionalizes the distinction between the Jewish population and other groups. As codified in its Basic Laws, Israel is the state of the Jewish people: non-Jewish Israeli citizens do not enjoy the same status under civil law. (It is, in fact, illegal for a political party to run for the Knesset if it questions this principle.) In contrast to Israel’s equal rights legislation regarding women and the disabled, more than fifty laws discriminate directly or indirectly against the Palestinian minority of Israel.


If I thought that the OP was inciting baseless hatred, I wouldn't have posted it. It does explain the grounds for the Apartheid analogy, and the reason why there's a lot of criticism of Israel. If it can be proven that Israeli Arabs and Palestinians living in the occupied territories aren't discriminated against in any way, then the Apartheid analogy is bogus. However, as there are numerous laws discriminating against Israeli Arabs, and the Palestinians in the occupied territories have no civil rights whatsoever, it could be difficult to prove that there's no discrimination going on...
More about the book: Little Tich Jun 2016 #1
Israeli Arabs & Palestinians within E.Jerusalem are the same race/ethnicity..... shira Jun 2016 #2
Your argument isn't very convincing - according to your logic, slavery in the antebellum South Little Tich Jun 2016 #5
You're comparing non-citizens to slaves. We have non-citizens in the US... shira Jun 2016 #7
Israel is the only country with two legal systems for civilians - Little Tich Jun 2016 #11
It's called occupation, not apartheid. Whatever separation there is is based on citizenship.... shira Jun 2016 #13
Yor argument isn't very convincing - according to you, there was never any Apartheid in South Africa Little Tich Jun 2016 #16
Nonsense. And as usual, you completely evaded what I wrote to you... shira Jun 2016 #17
The PA only has very limited powers - it's completely under IDF jurisdiction, Little Tich Jun 2016 #23
That's complete bullshit. The UN recognizes the Palestinian gov't & Israel has no control.... shira Jun 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #27
So the guy who shot Kathryn Steinle should be deported instead of charged with a crime??? Little Tich Jun 2016 #28
Sorry, saw the source and moved on... King_David Jun 2016 #3
(allAfrica): South Africa: Are Comparisons of South African Apartheid and Israel Useful? Little Tich Jun 2016 #4
See #2. Until the 'Apartheid' camp addresses that, they're all disingenuous Jew-baiters. shira Jun 2016 #6
Short answer: no. Next question: is posting anti-Semitic crap from Mondoweiss useful? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #8
That's what the anti-Israel movement is all about. Incitement & hate.... shira Jun 2016 #10
This article disingenuously claims Apartheid within Israel... shira Jun 2016 #9
The OP doesn't accuse Israel of Apartheid against Israeli Arabs. Little Tich Jun 2016 #12
The 2nd paragraph you quoted proves it. The paper is about Apartheid.... shira Jun 2016 #14
The OP avoids making a conclusion whether the situation in the occupied territories and Israel Little Tich Jun 2016 #15
You avoided the bulk of my last post.... shira Jun 2016 #18
I'm beginning to see why you don't understand Atzmon's argumentation in all those other threads... Little Tich Jun 2016 #19
So if the definition of Apartheid is outdated & doesn't apply to Israel.... shira Jun 2016 #21
In a way, you're excluding yourself from discussing the viability of the Apartheid analogy if you Little Tich Jun 2016 #25
I'm going by any common definition of Apartheid. Israel doesn't fit the bill.... shira Jun 2016 #26
I and everyone else - including BDS leaders - know Atzmon's crap is antisemitic... shira Jun 2016 #22
To be clear, your BEST case for Apartheid is in area C....not areas A or B or in Gaza. shira Jun 2016 #20
Are comparisons of South African apartheid and Israel useful? Israeli Jun 2016 #29
Interesting. Do you have more? n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #30
More info on the Truth Commission ? Israeli Jun 2016 #31
Thanks. n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #32
Zochrot: Second panel | Live testimonies Amnon Neumann - Jewish witness – 1948 fighter Little Tich Jun 2016 #36
The latest Mondoweiss incitement... shira Jun 2016 #33
Jerusalem Day March Through Old City Passes in Relative Calm Little Tich Jun 2016 #34
Fortunately you have "Israeli" here to confirm whether the translation is correct... shira Jun 2016 #35
What's the point? Little Tich Jun 2016 #37
Why didnt you ask me ??? Israeli Jun 2016 #38
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