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Little Tich

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Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:02 AM Jun 2016

Mondoweiss: Are comparisons of South African apartheid and Israel useful? [View all]

source: Mondoweiss, by Jon Soske and Sean Jacobs

The South African Nobel laureate J.M. Coetzee has a habit of speaking in rhetoricals. The effect, however, is that he makes his point quite clearly. This was the case recently at the Palestine Festival of Literature, which travels through Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories. Speaking on the festival’s last day, Coetzee noticed that “naturally people ask me what I see of South Africa in the present situation in Palestine.”

At first, Coetzee suggested that using the word apartheid to describe the occupation is not a productive step (“it diverts one into an inflamed semantic wrangle which cuts short the opportunities of analysis”). Coetzee then offered a definition of South African apartheid: “Apartheid was a system of enforced segregation based on race or ethnicity, put in place by an exclusive, self defined group in order to consolidate colonial conquest particular to cement its hold on the land and natural resources.” He continued, “In Jerusalem and the West Bank we see a system of …” and proceeded to read the same definition, ending to applause: “Draw your own conclusions.”

Although comparisons between Israel and South Africa stretch back to the early 1960s, the past decade has seen a growing recognition that Israel’s policies should be characterized as apartheid. The term apartheid (Afrikaans for separation or apartness) gained currency among Afrikaner racial theorists in the 1930s and became the basis of government policy with the election of the Nationalist Party in 1948, which coincides with the founding of Israel. Subsequent global campaigns and UN conventions declared apartheid a crime, and extended its meaning to contexts beyond southern Africa.

More recently, two separate debates have developed regarding the idea of Israeli apartheid. The first is a dispute about legal definitions: do Israeli actions in the occupied territories (or, in some formulations, the Israeli state’s policy toward the Palestinian population, including refugees and Palestinian Israelis) amount to apartheid under the relevant international treaties? When the official statements of the boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) campaign use the term, they are not making a direct analogy with the South African regime. They are arguing that Israeli policies should be condemned as the crime of apartheid under international law. The significance of this discussion is that the prohibition against apartheid is absolute under international law. In other words, a legal finding of apartheid would obligate the international community to end any aid that perpetuated the crime.

Read more: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/comparisons-african-apartheid/

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Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy - Paperback – November 24, 2015
Source: Amazon

In Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy, eighteen scholars of Africa and its diaspora reflect on the similarities and differences between apartheid-era South Africa and contemporary Israel, with an eye to strengthening and broadening today’s movement for justice in Palestine.

Contributors include Andy Clarno, Bill Freund, Mahmood Mamdani, Heidi Grunebaum, Shireen Hassim, Sean Jacobs, Robin D. G. Kelley, Arianna Lissoni, Achille Mbembe, Marissa Moorman, Jon Soske, T.J. Tallie, Salim Vally.

Read more: https://www.amazon.com/Apartheid-Israel-Politics-Sean-Jacobs/dp/1608465187

note: Yes, it's Mondoweiss (again) - however the subject of the OP is interesting...

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More about the book: Little Tich Jun 2016 #1
Israeli Arabs & Palestinians within E.Jerusalem are the same race/ethnicity..... shira Jun 2016 #2
Your argument isn't very convincing - according to your logic, slavery in the antebellum South Little Tich Jun 2016 #5
You're comparing non-citizens to slaves. We have non-citizens in the US... shira Jun 2016 #7
Israel is the only country with two legal systems for civilians - Little Tich Jun 2016 #11
It's called occupation, not apartheid. Whatever separation there is is based on citizenship.... shira Jun 2016 #13
Yor argument isn't very convincing - according to you, there was never any Apartheid in South Africa Little Tich Jun 2016 #16
Nonsense. And as usual, you completely evaded what I wrote to you... shira Jun 2016 #17
The PA only has very limited powers - it's completely under IDF jurisdiction, Little Tich Jun 2016 #23
That's complete bullshit. The UN recognizes the Palestinian gov't & Israel has no control.... shira Jun 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #27
So the guy who shot Kathryn Steinle should be deported instead of charged with a crime??? Little Tich Jun 2016 #28
Sorry, saw the source and moved on... King_David Jun 2016 #3
(allAfrica): South Africa: Are Comparisons of South African Apartheid and Israel Useful? Little Tich Jun 2016 #4
See #2. Until the 'Apartheid' camp addresses that, they're all disingenuous Jew-baiters. shira Jun 2016 #6
Short answer: no. Next question: is posting anti-Semitic crap from Mondoweiss useful? Fozzledick Jun 2016 #8
That's what the anti-Israel movement is all about. Incitement & hate.... shira Jun 2016 #10
This article disingenuously claims Apartheid within Israel... shira Jun 2016 #9
The OP doesn't accuse Israel of Apartheid against Israeli Arabs. Little Tich Jun 2016 #12
The 2nd paragraph you quoted proves it. The paper is about Apartheid.... shira Jun 2016 #14
The OP avoids making a conclusion whether the situation in the occupied territories and Israel Little Tich Jun 2016 #15
You avoided the bulk of my last post.... shira Jun 2016 #18
I'm beginning to see why you don't understand Atzmon's argumentation in all those other threads... Little Tich Jun 2016 #19
So if the definition of Apartheid is outdated & doesn't apply to Israel.... shira Jun 2016 #21
In a way, you're excluding yourself from discussing the viability of the Apartheid analogy if you Little Tich Jun 2016 #25
I'm going by any common definition of Apartheid. Israel doesn't fit the bill.... shira Jun 2016 #26
I and everyone else - including BDS leaders - know Atzmon's crap is antisemitic... shira Jun 2016 #22
To be clear, your BEST case for Apartheid is in area C....not areas A or B or in Gaza. shira Jun 2016 #20
Are comparisons of South African apartheid and Israel useful? Israeli Jun 2016 #29
Interesting. Do you have more? n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #30
More info on the Truth Commission ? Israeli Jun 2016 #31
Thanks. n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #32
Zochrot: Second panel | Live testimonies Amnon Neumann - Jewish witness – 1948 fighter Little Tich Jun 2016 #36
The latest Mondoweiss incitement... shira Jun 2016 #33
Jerusalem Day March Through Old City Passes in Relative Calm Little Tich Jun 2016 #34
Fortunately you have "Israeli" here to confirm whether the translation is correct... shira Jun 2016 #35
What's the point? Little Tich Jun 2016 #37
Why didnt you ask me ??? Israeli Jun 2016 #38
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