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In reply to the discussion: Full interview..MKs Hanin Zoabi, Jamal Zahalka, Basel Ghattas..why they are angry at Israel's left [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)7. You fear honest discussion of these issues. I challenged you days ago....
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You punted, as I predicted you would.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=125934
in a situation where a "Yes" wouldn't mean support for racism.
Only supporters of racism could answer yes to a question like that. The nearest equivalent in the US would probably be: "Do white American deserve preferential treatment?", and I would consider a "Yes" to that question to be support for racism.
That's no equivalent when it comes to the safety and well-being of Jews worldwide. Over 90% of Jews believe Israel is vital for the long term survival of the Jewish people. Good luck finding 90% of Jews who agree on anything, which goes to show how important this is (not how racist we are).
Now how is it possible for decent people to NOT empathize with a people whose Holocaust is still within living memory? If Israel existed and was strong and proud back in the 1930's, that could have saved millions from the ovens & gas chambers. Israel is still vital today when Jew hatred and antisemitic attacks are spiking worldwide (worst situation for Jews worldwide in decades).
And you think preferences for Jews (Law of Return, keeping Israel a Jewish state) in their historic Jewish homeland - that these preference for Jews over non Jews whether Arab, Muslim, Christian, White, Black, French, or Chinese - is racist? You can't be serious.
in a situation where a "Yes" wouldn't mean support for racism.
Only supporters of racism could answer yes to a question like that. The nearest equivalent in the US would probably be: "Do white American deserve preferential treatment?", and I would consider a "Yes" to that question to be support for racism.
That's no equivalent when it comes to the safety and well-being of Jews worldwide. Over 90% of Jews believe Israel is vital for the long term survival of the Jewish people. Good luck finding 90% of Jews who agree on anything, which goes to show how important this is (not how racist we are).
Now how is it possible for decent people to NOT empathize with a people whose Holocaust is still within living memory? If Israel existed and was strong and proud back in the 1930's, that could have saved millions from the ovens & gas chambers. Israel is still vital today when Jew hatred and antisemitic attacks are spiking worldwide (worst situation for Jews worldwide in decades).
And you think preferences for Jews (Law of Return, keeping Israel a Jewish state) in their historic Jewish homeland - that these preference for Jews over non Jews whether Arab, Muslim, Christian, White, Black, French, or Chinese - is racist? You can't be serious.
And here you are making the same, hateful arguments again where 80% of Israeli Jews are racist in your mind for wanting to keep Israel a Jewish state. Jews are no more racist than French, Greeks, & Icelanders who want to keep their countries French, Greek, and Icelandic.
On top of that, you believe those 80% of Israeli Jews are worse than Hezbollah supporters with neo-Nazi agendas. That's not just ignorant or hateful, it's evidence of a broken moral compass.
BTW, I don't expect you to respond or fully engage with the content in this post. Just like that last one. At best, you'll deflect but I'd love to be proven wrong. If your position is as progressive & moral as you contend, you'd have no problem defending your positions that 80% of Jews in Israel are racist, or that there are no BDS'ers who support terror acts against random innocent Jews. Your evasions and deflections here demonstrate that you cannot honestly defend your positions on I/P. It shows you're actually embarrassed, not proud of, the positions you hold on I/P.
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Full interview..MKs Hanin Zoabi, Jamal Zahalka, Basel Ghattas..why they are angry at Israel's left [View all]
shira
Mar 2016
OP
"What about the rights of the LGBT community in a secular and democratic country? "
King_David
Mar 2016
#1
Being against the discrimination of Israeli Arabs isn't enough for me to support Arab MKs.
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#2
you're right I don't there's a few others here that do not either and one that says he doesn't
azurnoir
Mar 2016
#9
I think you misrepresent the attitudes revealed in the poll to mean something less than they do.
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#13
First off, I must say that I personally can't support anyone who supports Hezbollah.
Little Tich
Mar 2016
#15