Full interview..MKs Hanin Zoabi, Jamal Zahalka, Basel Ghattas..why they are angry at Israel's left
Full interview and shared passions declare MKs Hanin Zoabi, Jamal Zahalka and Basel Ghattas they have no regrets and explain why they are angry at Israel's left and what country they dream.MK Ghattas: "The question is not fair. You create symmetry between minority elected official, he is the victim, who is fighting for the most basic things, they are privileges for you, even if you are the most militant anti-Zionist, causing damage to Zionism is a thousand times more than I do. "
It is a humane act. Monitoring Committee Chairman Mohammad Barakeh walked past the funeral of a Jewish girl who was killed in a Qassam rocket.
"Again I say to you: This is an unfair question. You do not judge me." "You judge. You ask: 'Why do not you go and express sorrow to the Jewish family that pays the price, as I'm going to a Palestinian family?' Symmetry does not work that way. I belong to a national minority, the victim pays the price every day. "
"This is a subject we do not refer to it.""Our society is not yet ready to deal with this issue," added MK Zoabi, "The truth is that it is not ready to engage in a more simple issues such as intermarriage between members of different religions. We are still fighting for social rights that should be obvious: creative freedom, women's rights. As a company, we are deteriorating. 30 years ago there were more freedom and progress. The hegemony of religious discourse is strengthened. "
http://archive.is/NiE6F#selection-5707.0-5754.0
This is what the "wonderful" BDS version of one "democratic secular state with equal rights for all" would look like - AT BEST - with a Jewish minority. These are SECULAR Palestinian MK's in Israel. So progressive....
No sympathy for murdered Jews. No LGBT or Women's Rights. No freedom of speech. And of course, Jews would be banned from their holy sites.
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It would be more in line with your reasoning if the issue was only about giving rights to Jews, perhaps that wouldn't even be racist, as there would be no victims. The main reason why I'm arguing that the attitudes revealed in the poll are racist, is because they show a preference for discriminating against and even mistreating a definite group of people. The two poll questions that I consider to be actively racist against non-Jews are these:
"Most Israeli Jews (79%) say Jews deserve preferential treatment in Israel"
Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/pf_2016-03-08_israel-01-07/
Please note that this question is about Jews deserving preferential treatment in Israel, not about receiving citizenship or retaining a Jewish majority. It's about one Israeli citizen having more rights than another Israeli citizen due to ethnicity only.
"Majority of Haredim, Datiim agree Arabs should be expelled"
Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/pf_2016-03-08_israel-01-10/
There is no way a desire to expel Arabs can be anything than racist under any circumstances, whether it's Israeli Arabs or those living in East Jerusalem, Gaza or the West Bank.
OTOH, there are two questions in the poll that you've brought up to prove that the poll doesn't reveal racist attitudes. I don't think that the answers to those questions reveal racist attitudes either, they're OK. I just don't think they do anything to mitigate the racist attitudes in the two poll questions above.
"Nearly unanimous share agree all Jews should have the right to citizenship in Israel"
Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/pf_2016-03-08_israel-01-05/
I don't know if I would disagree either...
"Most Jews say Israel necessary for long-term survival of the Jewish people"
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/pf_2016-03-08_israel-01-06/
Tricky one, but not racist...
Anyway, this OP is about Balad, and if you have more specific dirt on them than just accusing them of being "Hezbollah supporters with neo-nazi agendas (supporting the murder of random Jews)" please show me...
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Neither one of us can really conclude anything from the preferential treatment question. Jews deserve some kind of unspecified preferential treatment. What kind of treatment? I could be right, you could be right, who knows? I think Jews deserve preferential treatment in America. In Europe too. How about that? But it's WRT safety/security. Jewish gatherings, whether at synagogues, schools, or other events, require security Jews are currently responsible for (way, way, way more than any other ethnic or religious group). I think either federal, state, or local governments should cover those costs. Therefore I'm racist.
See what I mean?
As to the 48% favoring transfer or expulsion, that question is also flawed...
Do Israeli Jews really want to expel Arabs? The (huge) holes in the Pew survey
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/analysis/154329/do-israeli-jews-really-want-expel-arabs-the-huge-holes-pew-survey
Did they respond in relation to all Arabs, as one would gather from the way results have been presented? Or were they thinking about specific cases, such as Arabs who sympathise with terror or — as-per the policy that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is currently having checked by state lawyers — to move the families of terrorists who carry out attacks out of Israel?
...The Israel Prize-winning sociologist Sammy Smooha of Haifa University, who compiles a regular survey on Jewish attitudes towards Israel’s Arab minority and vice-versa, has called the question “misleading and vague”.
But beyond a general fluffiness with the question, there was a deeper problem with the concepts that it probed. The meaning of “expulsion” was clear, but what was meant by “transfer”? The leading Israeli pollster Camil Fuchs, who was not involved in the Pew research, said he understood the word haavara — transfer — to refer to a process by which nobody leaves their homes.
...And so, a question that will have been for some — and we cannot ignore this — expelling all Arabs, for others will have been about expelling or physically transferring some individuals. Meanwhile, there will have been respondents who were just embracing land swaps. Dr Fuchs says that Pew’s sky-high figure resulted from that no-no of polling known as “double barrelling.”
This is where a question touches on two issues but allows just one answer — and often creates a single impression about people who respond positively. “You don’t ask a question about two things together,” said Dr Fuchs, suggesting that “expelled” and “transferred” are politically-speaking the “opposites” of each other but were squeezed together by “double barrelling”.
Dr Fuchs, a frequent pollster for Ha’aretz whose polls often tell hard truths about Israeli society, said: “I don't presume that all or a great many of the people who answered ‘yes’ want to move all the Arabs.”
Flawed poll.
You have a good point at the end of your last post, so let's get back to Balad where their attitudes on practically everything make them extreme Rightwingers (on par with the Westboro Baptist Church lunatics). In a 1-state scenario, they're the best "secular" alternative to the PA or Hamas. As you acknowledge, they don't give a rip about Jewish victims of terror. That's racist. Apply that in reverse for I/P and you'd call it racist w/o any question whatsoever.
Balad also supports Hezbollah even though they know full well Hezbollah has racist genocidal intentions WRT Jews. Like supporters of Hamas (especially when they're attacking Jews). In your words, there's no way support for any organization dedicated to the murder of random Jews is anything but racist.
Now, if BDS supports 1-state with a Jewish minority and with Balad in charge - and I have no reason to believe otherwise since there isn't any other better, more organized "secular" Palestinian political party out there that BDS would support - then BDS advocates for a future government way, way, way more extreme Rightwing than Netanyahu & his cast of characters. There's you BDS movement in a nutshell. More Rightwing extreme than Netanyahu's gang. Netanyahu doesn't want to reverse rights for gays & women in Israel. He doesn't support the murderous Kahanists. Bibi would never react to the vile murder of a Palestinian the way Balad does.
How am I wrong?
But let's get go back to your statement in post #6 above:
Let's assume for a moment the Pew poll results constitutes real, genuine proof of racist intent. You believe 80% of Jews, based only on those question, are worse than the racists of Balad. Your moral compass is broken if you really believe that. Those 80% of Jews (minus the ugliest Kahanists) would never react as callously to the murder of Palestinians (think Abu Khdeir) as the Balad nut jobs. But you write that the Jews are worse. I think that's insane. Please justify that statement.
Back to expulsion. BDS wants that too, but in reverse. BDS calls for all Jews in the W.Bank to be expelled or transferred. You want that too, right? All Jews out of the future Palestine. Now how is that any less racist than the position of those 80% from the Pew poll?
The extremist right wing anti Gay ideology displayed by these MKs is worse than Donald Trump.
