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In reply to the discussion: Why Gail Dines Is About As Leftist As The Tea Party [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)33. Professor Gail Dines and Professor Sheila Jeffreys are being misrepresented on this thread.
Is this about Jeffrey's work (see below) or the efforts to deny women the right to assemble without including men or transgender individuals (Radfem 2012 London controversy)?
Or this? http://flyingontherainbow.com/2012/05/30/the-oppression-of-ms-sheila-jeffreys-a-re-imagining-of-the-facts/
If the latter, isn't 'more speech' the solution to 'offensive speech' ( http://www.aclu.org/organization-news-and-highlights/aclu-fight-hate-speech-more-speech )? What a damn shame to resort to baseless name-calling ("This is not an open forum for right wingers and their enablers to broadcast propaganda." and demands for censorship.
http://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Vagina-Political-Economy-Global/dp/0415412331/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305224011&sr=1-1
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'The strength of Jeffreys' new work lies in just how many aspects of the sex industry she covers, and her understanding of their intersections.'
Julia Bindel, The Guardian
About the Author
Sheila Jeffreys is a Professor in the School of Social and Political Sciences at the University of Melbourne. She is the author of six other books on the history and politics of sexuality, including Beauty and Misogyny (Routledge, 2005). She is the founding member in 1994 of the Australian branch of the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women.
She has a considerable reputation both in the academic world and in the world of feminist and lesbian and gay politics for her work on sexuality, including 6 single authored books. Sheila Jeffreys' work is heavily referenced in academic journals and books, with 30 citations in international refereed journals in 2003 according the Web of Science citations index. Her work has been republished in French, Spanish, German, Norwegian, Swedish, and in many anthologies of feminist thought over the last few years.
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Publication Date: December 25, 2008 | ISBN-10: 0415412331 | ISBN-13: 978-0415412339 | Edition: New Ed
The industrialization of prostitution and the sex trade has created a multibillion-dollar global market, involving millions of women, that makes a substantial contribution to national and global economies.
The Industrial Vagina: The Political Economy of the Global Sex Trade (RIPE Series in Global Political Economy) examines how prostitution and other aspects of the sex industry have moved from being small-scale, clandestine, and socially despised practices to become very profitable legitimate market sectors that are being legalised and decriminalised by governments. Sheila Jeffreys demonstrates how prostitution has been globalized through an examination of:- the growth of pornography and its new global reach
- the boom in adult shops, strip clubs and escort agencies
- military prostitution and sexual violence in war
- marriage and the mail order bride industry
- the rise in sex tourism and trafficking in women.
She argues that through these practices womens subordination has been outsourced and that states that legalise this industry are acting as pimps, enabling male buyers in countries in which womens equality threatens male dominance, to buy access to the bodies of women from poor countries who are paid for their sexual subservience.
This major and provocative contribution is essential reading for all with an interest in feminist, gender and critical globalisation issues as well as students and scholars of international political economy.
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/radfem2012
Radfem 2012 Gets a New Home
So a bunch of transactivists succeeded in getting Julys two-day Radical Feminist Conference (Radfem 2012) booted from their location at Conway Hall in London. (Never heard of Conway Hall before, know lots about it now.) It happened a few days ago and the twitters are still tweeting with self-congratulations and unmollified expressions of radfem hate. They use the #radfem2012 hashtag, rather than a #stopradfem2012, because, you know, dogpiling to shut down communication is free speech. The issue is that the conference is open only to women born female and assigned female at birth. In other words: women only, and no men or transwomen. Apparently people who come into the world with child-bearing capability cant talk about their political issues from that perspective without being monitored.
So lets take stock of what transactivists won by throwing a monkeywrench in an event they wouldnt have gone to anyway as many of them claim.
So why are transactivists patting themselves on the back? Are they delusional? This is one battle that can only hurt their cause, win or lose, and they were asinine to take it on.
Radfem 2012 Gets a New Home
So a bunch of transactivists succeeded in getting Julys two-day Radical Feminist Conference (Radfem 2012) booted from their location at Conway Hall in London. (Never heard of Conway Hall before, know lots about it now.) It happened a few days ago and the twitters are still tweeting with self-congratulations and unmollified expressions of radfem hate. They use the #radfem2012 hashtag, rather than a #stopradfem2012, because, you know, dogpiling to shut down communication is free speech. The issue is that the conference is open only to women born female and assigned female at birth. In other words: women only, and no men or transwomen. Apparently people who come into the world with child-bearing capability cant talk about their political issues from that perspective without being monitored.
So lets take stock of what transactivists won by throwing a monkeywrench in an event they wouldnt have gone to anyway as many of them claim.
~ The event will still take place, according to the website, at a different location.
~ A lot more enemies have been made for transgender people where there were none before. These would include women who are not radical feminists but like the idea of women-only space.
~ According to the program, gender identity politics was only one of many workshop topics, but you can bet its going to be talked and talked and talked about at the conference now, and not in a nice way.
~ Since the contract with Conway Hall was broken so close to the conference date, the financial and logistical impact was doubtless severe. A factor for transactivists to cheer, EXCEPT this also means a probable lawsuit. The result may not be what the transactivists would want.
~ This has a potential to be a precedent setting legal issue for womens rights in the UK, if it does go to trial. The result could also be a factor where the issue is addressed under different laws elsewhere in the world. This is long way of saying: transactivists better hope Conway Hall offers beaucoup money to keep this out of court, because this is not an ideal test case, from their point of view.
~ In fighting this battle, a bit of alliance-building has happened between transactivists and Mens Rights Activists (MRA) who have been identified as hate mongers by the respected Southern Poverty Law Center. This may be an association to haunt transactivists for a long time to come.
So why are transactivists patting themselves on the back? Are they delusional? This is one battle that can only hurt their cause, win or lose, and they were asinine to take it on.
"...RadFem 2012 is women only. We respect that discussion spaces are needed free from oppression and dis-empowerment, and we assert our right as women to organise a women only space. As Radical Feminists we recognise that patriarchy dominates personal and political spaces across the globe. In turn we ask that RadFem 2012 be respected as a space where women born women living as women are able to meet and share information in a peaceful and safe environment.
http://radicalhub.com/2012/07/22/london-radical-feminist-conference-july-2012/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_7_7XIZq1dUJ:conwayhall.org.uk/statement-regarding-radfem-2012+cancellation+radfem+2012+http://conwayhall.org.uk/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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One, if I had a walnut for every subjective OPINION that Dines tries to pass off as universal
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#6
When challenged on her sources, Gail Dines has been repeately shown to either misrepresent
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#13
AVN isn't readily searchable via google, as I discovered after briefly attempting to provide a link.
proverbialwisdom
Aug 2012
#14
Extreme porn is illegal in the UK. Dines describes and questions the parameters of legal in the US.
proverbialwisdom
Aug 2012
#16
You're avoiding answering my questions. And this thread is ABOUT Dines.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#17
Nice try. My guess is that anyone actually informed doesn't equate porn and extreme porn.
proverbialwisdom
Aug 2012
#18
Your guess? Your guess would be wrong, because that sort of conflation is exactly the basis
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#21
RE: You're avoiding answering my questions. And this thread is ABOUT Dines.
proverbialwisdom
Aug 2012
#19
If Dines is discredited, AND her methodology is Discredited, and her source material is discredited
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#20
RE: AVN article. Her presentation below contains a slide with the source material plus discussion.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2012
#31
Gail Dines is a transphobic bigot. Bigots are not welcome in this group and transphobia is not
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#32
Gail Dines was just a keynote speaker at an event headed by transphobic bigots
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#7
More on the allegations of transphobic bigotry at the conference Dines endorsed w/ a keynote speech:
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#11
This is not an open forum for right wingers and their enablers to broadcast propaganda.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#24
I am not going to allow this group to be a forum for bigots of any stripe.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#27
No, I'm talking about posting an hour long video of Gail Dines opining on whatever.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#29
Professor Gail Dines and Professor Sheila Jeffreys are being misrepresented on this thread.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2012
#33
You have been informed that the mens group is not a place for the promotion of transgender bigotry.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#34
Another DU Feminists Group (Catherina) Thread on Jeffreys' trans bigotry:
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#36
"The act which men commonly perform on prostituted women is penis-in-vagina sexual intercourse.
LadyHawkAZ
Oct 2012
#38
Apparently, from what I've heard, this is a awful horrible pit of pure horrible awfulness.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2012
#40
I'm not a fan of Gail Dines, but I'm sure there have been more convincing/logical critiques of her
fishwax
Oct 2012
#44
"She's wrapping her authoritarian-based complaint in a veneer of progressivism."
4th law of robotics
Oct 2012
#52
Are you suggesting that, say, "Morality in Media".... has some sort of right-wing, religious agenda?
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#66