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proverbialwisdom

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33. Professor Gail Dines and Professor Sheila Jeffreys are being misrepresented on this thread.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:26 PM
Oct 2012

Is this about Jeffrey's work (see below) or the efforts to deny women the right to assemble without including men or transgender individuals (Radfem 2012 London controversy)?

Or this? http://flyingontherainbow.com/2012/05/30/the-oppression-of-ms-sheila-jeffreys-a-re-imagining-of-the-facts/

If the latter, isn't 'more speech' the solution to 'offensive speech' ( http://www.aclu.org/organization-news-and-highlights/aclu-fight-hate-speech-more-speech )? What a damn shame to resort to baseless name-calling ("This is not an open forum for right wingers and their enablers to broadcast propaganda.&quot and demands for censorship.

http://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Vagina-Political-Economy-Global/dp/0415412331/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305224011&sr=1-1

Look Inside Ths Book

Review
'The strength of Jeffreys' new work lies in just how many aspects of the sex industry she covers, and her understanding of their intersections.'
Julia Bindel, The Guardian


About the Author
Sheila Jeffreys is a Professor in the School of Social and Political Sciences at the University of Melbourne. She is the author of six other books on the history and politics of sexuality, including Beauty and Misogyny (Routledge, 2005). She is the founding member in 1994 of the Australian branch of the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women.

She has a considerable reputation both in the academic world and in the world of feminist and lesbian and gay politics for her work on sexuality, including 6 single authored books. Sheila Jeffreys' work is heavily referenced in academic journals and books, with 30 citations in international refereed journals in 2003 according the Web of Science citations index. Her work has been republished in French, Spanish, German, Norwegian, Swedish, and in many anthologies of feminist thought over the last few years.


Book Description
Publication Date: December 25, 2008 | ISBN-10: 0415412331 | ISBN-13: 978-0415412339 | Edition: New Ed
The industrialization of prostitution and the sex trade has created a multibillion-dollar global market, involving millions of women, that makes a substantial contribution to national and global economies.

The Industrial Vagina: The Political Economy of the Global Sex Trade (RIPE Series in Global Political Economy) examines how prostitution and other aspects of the sex industry have moved from being small-scale, clandestine, and socially despised practices to become very profitable legitimate market sectors that are being legalised and decriminalised by governments. Sheila Jeffreys demonstrates how prostitution has been globalized through an examination of:

- the growth of pornography and its new global reach
- the boom in adult shops, strip clubs and escort agencies
- military prostitution and sexual violence in war
- marriage and the mail order bride industry
- the rise in sex tourism and trafficking in women.

She argues that through these practices women’s subordination has been outsourced and that states that legalise this industry are acting as pimps, enabling male buyers in countries in which women’s equality threatens male dominance, to buy access to the bodies of women from poor countries who are paid for their sexual subservience.

This major and provocative contribution is essential reading for all with an interest in feminist, gender and critical globalisation issues as well as students and scholars of international political economy.


http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/radfem2012

Radfem 2012 Gets a New Home

So a bunch of transactivists succeeded in getting July’s two-day Radical Feminist Conference (Radfem 2012) booted from their location at Conway Hall in London. (Never heard of Conway Hall before, know lots about it now.) It happened a few days ago and the twitters are still tweeting with self-congratulations and unmollified expressions of radfem hate. They use the #radfem2012 hashtag, rather than a #stopradfem2012, because, you know, dogpiling to shut down communication is free speech. The issue is that the conference is open only to “women born female and assigned female at birth.” In other words: women only, and no men or transwomen. Apparently people who come into the world with child-bearing capability can’t talk about their political issues from that perspective without being monitored.

So let’s take stock of what transactivists won by throwing a monkeywrench in an event they “wouldn’t have gone to anyway” as many of them claim.

~ The event will still take place, according to the website, at a different location.
~ A lot more enemies have been made for transgender people where there were none before. These would include women who are not radical feminists but like the idea of women-only space.
~ According to the program, gender identity politics was only one of many workshop topics, but you can bet it’s going to be talked and talked and talked about at the conference now, and not in a nice way.
~ Since the contract with Conway Hall was broken so close to the conference date, the financial and logistical impact was doubtless severe. A factor for transactivists to cheer, EXCEPT this also means a probable lawsuit. The result may not be what the transactivists would want.
~ This has a potential to be a precedent setting legal issue for women’s rights in the UK, if it does go to trial. The result could also be a factor where the issue is addressed under different laws elsewhere in the world. This is long way of saying: transactivists better hope Conway Hall offers beaucoup money to keep this out of court, because this is not an ideal test case, from their point of view.
~ In fighting this battle, a bit of alliance-building has happened between transactivists and Men’s Rights Activists (MRA) who have been identified as hate mongers by the respected Southern Poverty Law Center. This may be an association to haunt transactivists for a long time to come.


So why are transactivists patting themselves on the back? Are they delusional? This is one battle that can only hurt their cause, win or lose, and they were asinine to take it on.


"...RadFem 2012 is women only. We respect that discussion spaces are needed free from oppression and dis-empowerment, and we assert our right as women to organise a women only space. As Radical Feminists we recognise that patriarchy dominates personal and political spaces across the globe. In turn we ask that RadFem 2012 be respected as a space where women born women living as women are able to meet and share information in a peaceful and safe environment. ”


http://radicalhub.com/2012/07/22/london-radical-feminist-conference-july-2012/

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_7_7XIZq1dUJ:conwayhall.org.uk/statement-regarding-radfem-2012+cancellation+radfem+2012+http://conwayhall.org.uk/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Some of the people who push her ideas here.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #1
I agree. Its a song that only contains one note Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #4
I would say she is solidly in the authoritarian right 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #2
Authoritarian left or right? Rhetorical question only. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #3
One, if I had a walnut for every subjective OPINION that Dines tries to pass off as universal Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #6
When challenged on her sources, Gail Dines has been repeately shown to either misrepresent Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #13
AVN isn't readily searchable via google, as I discovered after briefly attempting to provide a link. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #14
It was NOT for "purposes of debate", clearly. Nice try. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #15
Extreme porn is illegal in the UK. Dines describes and questions the parameters of legal in the US. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #16
You're avoiding answering my questions. And this thread is ABOUT Dines. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #17
Nice try. My guess is that anyone actually informed doesn't equate porn and extreme porn. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #18
Your guess? Your guess would be wrong, because that sort of conflation is exactly the basis Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #21
RE: You're avoiding answering my questions. And this thread is ABOUT Dines. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #19
If Dines is discredited, AND her methodology is Discredited, and her source material is discredited Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #20
UK citizens don't enjoy a institutionalized right to free speech. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #23
RE: AVN article. Her presentation below contains a slide with the source material plus discussion. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #31
Gail Dines is a transphobic bigot. Bigots are not welcome in this group and transphobia is not Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #32
I found you your information, Warren! LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #47
Knock me over with a feather!! opiate69 Oct 2012 #48
It's been a nice visit... LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #49
More Gail Dines material: Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #5
Gail Dines was just a keynote speaker at an event headed by transphobic bigots Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #7
That should seal it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #8
It's been pointed out already 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #9
I admit, I held back in my post.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #10
More on the allegations of transphobic bigotry at the conference Dines endorsed w/ a keynote speech: Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #11
Scented Nectar: Gail Dines Further Exposed Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #12
Gail Dines lecture on "Neoliberalism and the Defanging of Feminism." proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #22
This is not an open forum for right wingers and their enablers to broadcast propaganda. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #24
I wouldn't bother watching.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #25
And yet she's a hero in some other groups 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #26
I am not going to allow this group to be a forum for bigots of any stripe. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #27
My post? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #28
No, I'm talking about posting an hour long video of Gail Dines opining on whatever. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #29
A fine sentiment but 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #30
Professor Gail Dines and Professor Sheila Jeffreys are being misrepresented on this thread. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #33
You have been informed that the mens group is not a place for the promotion of transgender bigotry. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #34
DU Feminists Group Thread on RADFEM2012 Trans Bigotry: Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #35
Female orgasms serve the patriarchy! 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #37
Another DU Feminists Group (Catherina) Thread on Jeffreys' trans bigotry: Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #36
"The act which men commonly perform on prostituted women is penis-in-vagina sexual intercourse. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #38
Don't run off on our account, LadyHawk! Your input is welcome here! opiate69 Oct 2012 #39
Apparently, from what I've heard, this is a awful horrible pit of pure horrible awfulness. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #40
Rumor has it that there's cooties LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #43
I wonder how our species - homo sapiens - would have propagated hifiguy Oct 2012 #55
I think Jeffreys has trouble thinking outside her own box, LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #56
To expound on your question about becoming experts in human behavior... opiate69 Oct 2012 #57
Exactly. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #58
Not misrepresented--hoist on their own petards, but not misrepresented. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #41
These folks are often "unfairly misrepresented" and slandered 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #42
I'm not a fan of Gail Dines, but I'm sure there have been more convincing/logical critiques of her fishwax Oct 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #45
I don't disagree with most of that fishwax Oct 2012 #46
I agree that some of the argument presented suffers from logical fallacies Major Nikon Oct 2012 #50
Don't agree with this lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #51
"She's wrapping her authoritarian-based complaint in a veneer of progressivism." 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #52
It isn't clear to me what you're disagreeing with ... fishwax Oct 2012 #53
My post was unskillful. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #54
Kick for relevance. opiate69 May 2014 #59
Some people are reallyquiet about their transphobic garbage Major Nikon May 2014 #60
Truth. opiate69 May 2014 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #62
Also from the article in the OP: Warren DeMontague May 2014 #63
Nope.... maddezmom May 2014 #64
Dines sighting! ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #65
Are you suggesting that, say, "Morality in Media".... has some sort of right-wing, religious agenda? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #66
You're just pissed about their religion, Warren! ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #67
Yeah, that's one way to spin it, isn't it? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #68
Well, they finally got called on it in their own den.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #69
Shout out to MIM!!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #71
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