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Warren DeMontague

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51. it IS A PROBLEM. and IT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

Thu Aug 9, 2012, 02:21 PM

Aug 2012

And it IS UNACCEPTABLE.

But part of the reason I shut that thread down, aside from the fact that it became real apparent the ground had been covered, was because there was no way to have any discussion about the ACTUAL ISSUE without it turning into "you're apologizing for rape!!!"

Which is also bullshit. It's a bullshit, disingenuous tactic, it's fucking character assassination, and frankly I'm fucking sick of seeing it.

The guy in the elevator, if he was a "potential rapist", was no more or less that after he opened his mouth and started a -by all accounts friendly- conversation asking the woman for coffee. She said no, and it was over.

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is there actually people who believe that all men are rapists and attracted to little girls [View all] loli phabay Aug 2012 OP

No. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #1

I think it's more like all men are "potential" rapists.. Upton Aug 2012 #2

that is a novel, and what you posted is a literary device known as hyperbole. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #3

Since we're throwing out numbers.. Upton Aug 2012 #5

Nobody will up and say rape isnt a problem. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #6

okay rape is a problem. and proving rape is a problem loli phabay Aug 2012 #7

ipad much? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #8

You equated a man who talked to a woman in an elevator with a serial killer/rapist 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #10

no i did not, you said that, I didn't. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #16

You can look at a random person for a few seconds and determine her entire life-experience 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #17

4th law... MadrasT Aug 2012 #23

Perhaps there should be men's and women's elevators 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #28

again you just trivialize the problem. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #30

Raping women in elevators is not considered acceptable 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #32

The gulf in male perceptions isn't "rape is/isn't a problem". lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #35

(b) is the one I take issue with. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #45

Point by point lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #62

Rape is a tremendous problem. Bonobo Aug 2012 #11

Treat the attractive strange woman as you would any other stranger. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #19

You layed out an awful lot of straw. Bonobo Aug 2012 #33

Lets be clear..are you suggesting 16% of men are rapists? Upton Aug 2012 #12

No I said you could not sustain your assertion that 0.1% of men commit all the rapes. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #14

What percentage of men do *you* think are rapists? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #18

I have no idea. It is related to the rape experience level for women. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #21

Well logically it has to fall somewhere between 1 person and 51 million men (16%) 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #24

My guess: 5-10%. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #26

You actually believe about 1 in 15 of the men you meet are rapists? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #31

16% of women have a rape experience in their lives. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #36

FULL STOP 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #38

"And actual rape only, not elevator talkers or porn watchers." Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #46

That had nothing to do with the 16% statistic 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #47

according to this study its about 4 percent Mosby Aug 2012 #57

There are a couple of studies cited in that piece. redqueen Aug 2012 #58

Yes, and the take away Mosby Aug 2012 #64

Yep, a small number among those who aren't caught, & none of them consider what they did as rape. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #72

So, in other words..most men aren't rapists. Upton Aug 2012 #59

So you agree that 0.1 % was total bullshit. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Aug 2012 #65

Thank you.. Upton Aug 2012 #66

I'm good with 4% too. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #61

Since one in 18 men (5.5%) are CURRENTLY behind bars or being monitored, lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #67

No, it doesn't. redqueen Aug 2012 #71

Thanks for the clarification. That stands to reason. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #73

Does the CDC study work for you as a reputable source? MadrasT Aug 2012 #15

I'm curious what those stats would be if they included statutory rape 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #20

you seem to be a bit desperate to disqualify the data. nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #22

Pointing out flaws in the data collection 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #25

read the study. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #27

I actually linked to that same study yesterday 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #29

it IS A PROBLEM. and IT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Aug 2012 #34

you tell me. I don't know. I objected to the assertion that 99.9% arent. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #37

Do you not understand math? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #39

Perpetrator data MadrasT Aug 2012 #40

I tried my best but couldn't find any of those articles 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #41

You've been presented with the data to back up my assertion that the number Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #43

The claims presented are based on what appears to be dubious data 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #49

Arguing about statistics is a losing proposition. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #44

Which is exactly my problem with all this 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Aug 2012 #56

I'm having a problem with "1 guy rapes 160 women." Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #42

No, that's not my argument at all 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #48

You've carefully avoided stating anything. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #55

You may come to find 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Aug 2012 #53

It wasn't hyperbole Major Nikon Aug 2012 #54

It's remarkable really 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #13

Here's how I had it explained to me once... RevStPatrick Aug 2012 #4

Yes there are 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #9

There were the famous flaps on some College Campuses in the late 80s, early 90s Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #52

Ah, the weird old days ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #60

After the Duke case 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #68

Yeah, those sorts of tactics are beyond the pale. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #70