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4th law of robotics

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41. I tried my best but couldn't find any of those articles
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 01:10 PM
Aug 2012

in full on the internet (for free. I'm not paying 30 bucks for one).

So unfortunately I can't look at the methodology they used. But given that most have some version of "coerce" in their title I'm guessing we aren't talking about the same thing.

I found this definition for sexual coercion: http://www.fit.edu/caps/documents/SexualCoercion_000.pdf

The act of using pressure ... to have sexual contact:
Pressure in this case can mean physical pressure, verbal pressure or emotional pressure. Physical pressure
can include hitting, kicking and slapping the victim; holding the victim down; continuing with the sexual behavior after the victim has been told to stop; and even continuing to kiss the victim as he/she tries to pull away. (seems reasonable) Verbal pressure includes behaviors like threatening to use physical force against the victim, yelling at the victim, name calling, tricking, lying, blackmailing and badgering the victim. (no problem so far) Emotional pressure is used much more frequently than physical and verbal pressure and is the most subtle of all the sexual coercion tactics. Using emotional pressure includes the perpetrator convincing the victim that he/she cares more for the victim than he/she actually does, threatening a break-up, wearing the victim down by using the same tactic over and over again, making the victim feel obligated to participate in sexual acts, guilting the victim participating, utilizing peer pressure and even the perpetrator using his/her position of authority over the victim.

What? Asking for sex more than once is rape. Saying not having sex is a deal breaker for your relationship is rape. Saying you love her when maybe you don't really then having sex is rape.

I'm surprised by those definitions they were only able to indict 14% of men.


Surely we can all agree that a guy saying he is no longer interested in dating a girl if she doesn't have sex with him is vastly different and in no way belongs in the same category as raping someone by force or by intoxicants.


Oh and here are some examples they use:

• “Everybody’s doing it.”
• “Sex is the way to prove your love for me.”
• “We’ve had sex before, so you can’t say no now.”
• Giving compliments that sound extreme or insincere.
• Put-downs or guilt trips
• Buying gifts or spending money to make you feel you “owe” sex.


No. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #1
I think it's more like all men are "potential" rapists.. Upton Aug 2012 #2
that is a novel, and what you posted is a literary device known as hyperbole. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #3
Since we're throwing out numbers.. Upton Aug 2012 #5
Nobody will up and say rape isnt a problem. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #6
okay rape is a problem. and proving rape is a problem loli phabay Aug 2012 #7
ipad much? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #8
You equated a man who talked to a woman in an elevator with a serial killer/rapist 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #10
no i did not, you said that, I didn't. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #16
You can look at a random person for a few seconds and determine her entire life-experience 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #17
4th law... MadrasT Aug 2012 #23
Perhaps there should be men's and women's elevators 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #28
again you just trivialize the problem. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #30
Raping women in elevators is not considered acceptable 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #32
The gulf in male perceptions isn't "rape is/isn't a problem". lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #35
(b) is the one I take issue with. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #45
Point by point lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #62
Rape is a tremendous problem. Bonobo Aug 2012 #11
Treat the attractive strange woman as you would any other stranger. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #19
You layed out an awful lot of straw. Bonobo Aug 2012 #33
Lets be clear..are you suggesting 16% of men are rapists? Upton Aug 2012 #12
No I said you could not sustain your assertion that 0.1% of men commit all the rapes. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #14
What percentage of men do *you* think are rapists? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #18
I have no idea. It is related to the rape experience level for women. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #21
Well logically it has to fall somewhere between 1 person and 51 million men (16%) 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #24
My guess: 5-10%. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #26
You actually believe about 1 in 15 of the men you meet are rapists? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #31
16% of women have a rape experience in their lives. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #36
FULL STOP 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #38
"And actual rape only, not elevator talkers or porn watchers." Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #46
That had nothing to do with the 16% statistic 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #47
according to this study its about 4 percent Mosby Aug 2012 #57
There are a couple of studies cited in that piece. redqueen Aug 2012 #58
Yes, and the take away Mosby Aug 2012 #64
Yep, a small number among those who aren't caught, & none of them consider what they did as rape. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #72
So, in other words..most men aren't rapists. Upton Aug 2012 #59
So you agree that 0.1 % was total bullshit. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Aug 2012 #65
Thank you.. Upton Aug 2012 #66
I'm good with 4% too. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #61
Since one in 18 men (5.5%) are CURRENTLY behind bars or being monitored, lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #67
No, it doesn't. redqueen Aug 2012 #71
Thanks for the clarification. That stands to reason. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #73
Does the CDC study work for you as a reputable source? MadrasT Aug 2012 #15
I'm curious what those stats would be if they included statutory rape 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #20
you seem to be a bit desperate to disqualify the data. nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #22
Pointing out flaws in the data collection 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #25
read the study. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #27
I actually linked to that same study yesterday 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #29
it IS A PROBLEM. and IT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Aug 2012 #34
you tell me. I don't know. I objected to the assertion that 99.9% arent. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #37
Do you not understand math? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #39
Perpetrator data MadrasT Aug 2012 #40
I tried my best but couldn't find any of those articles 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #41
You've been presented with the data to back up my assertion that the number Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #43
The claims presented are based on what appears to be dubious data 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #49
Arguing about statistics is a losing proposition. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #44
Which is exactly my problem with all this 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Aug 2012 #56
I'm having a problem with "1 guy rapes 160 women." Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #42
No, that's not my argument at all 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #48
You've carefully avoided stating anything. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #55
You may come to find 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Aug 2012 #53
It wasn't hyperbole Major Nikon Aug 2012 #54
It's remarkable really 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #13
Here's how I had it explained to me once... RevStPatrick Aug 2012 #4
Yes there are 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #9
There were the famous flaps on some College Campuses in the late 80s, early 90s Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #52
Ah, the weird old days ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #60
After the Duke case 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #68
Yeah, those sorts of tactics are beyond the pale. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #70
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