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Barack Obama
Showing Original Post only (View all)It was true then, It is true today. [View all]
Why Obama Still MattersAndrew Sullivan NOV 21 2011
The one thing I noticed in my continental run-around this past week is just how mad liberals are at Obama. I remain as baffled by this anger as I am by Republican contempt for the guy.New York magazine has two superb essays that sum up my own feelings on both sides pretty perfectly by Jon Chait and David Frum. Chait notes how systemic and eternal liberal disenchantment is, and how congenitally useless Democrats are in rallying round a leader, even one who has achieved so much in such a short time. Many Dems even now think Clinton was more successful in fighting the GOP in his first term than Obama has been. (Memo to the left: universal healthcare was achieved under Obama). But much of this is the usual Democratic limpness and whininess. If George Bush had taken out Osama bin Laden, wiped out al Qaeda's leadership and gathered a treasure trove of real intelligence by a daring raid, he'd be on Mount Rushmore by now. If he'd done the equivalent on the right of universal healthcare, he'd be the second coming of Reagan. But Obama and liberals? If I hear one more gripe about single payer from someone in their fifties with a ponytail, I'll scream.
But the right is more unhinged and more dangerously full of denial. Since I was never structurally or financially or socially linked to the Washington right, I was immune to the withdrawal of jobs, money and access doled out to any dissenter in the Bush years. But every now and again, I get some kind of amazed look "You're not going to back Obama again, are you?" from someone in the conservative cocoon, and when I respond, "So far, you bet!", there is often a long pause and a genuine sadness on their faces. "What the hell happened to him?" you can hear them asking themselves.
Some of this is as head-scratching for me as it is for David:
Some of the smartest and most sophisticated people I knowcanny investors, erudite authorssincerely and passionately believe that President Barack Obama has gone far beyond conventional American liberalism and is willfully and relentlessly driving the United States down the road to socialism. No counterevidence will dissuade them from this belief: not record-high corporate profits, not almost 500,000 job losses in the public sector, not the lowest tax rates since the Truman administration. It is not easy to fit this belief alongside the equally strongly held belief that the president is a pitiful, bumbling amateur, dazed and overwhelmed by a job too big for himand yet that is done too.
Did you get the impression from the GOP debates that Obama had lowered taxes? That he had not nationalized but saved the banks? That he had dispatched Osama and Qaddafi? That he had 60 percent support for a sane and succcessful foreign policy? That he was an exemplar of all those social values conservatives say they support: a model husband and father, a black man who has eschewed identity politics almost entirely, a president whose speeches are among the most intellectually Christian of any in modern times? This strange, bizarre hostility to him I put down to displaced anger at Bush, to cultural panic among the old, but also to a wider propaganda support system that is truly a sight to behold:
SNIP:
It was never my party, but it was one to which I could once accord regular agreement and respect. No more. I remain unrepentant in my support for this president, a man who has accomplished more in the face of a more hostile environment in his first three years than any president since Johnson. I wish more reasonable Dems and a few moderate Republicans will soon have the courage to say so.
But the right is more unhinged and more dangerously full of denial. Since I was never structurally or financially or socially linked to the Washington right, I was immune to the withdrawal of jobs, money and access doled out to any dissenter in the Bush years. But every now and again, I get some kind of amazed look "You're not going to back Obama again, are you?" from someone in the conservative cocoon, and when I respond, "So far, you bet!", there is often a long pause and a genuine sadness on their faces. "What the hell happened to him?" you can hear them asking themselves.
Some of this is as head-scratching for me as it is for David:
Some of the smartest and most sophisticated people I knowcanny investors, erudite authorssincerely and passionately believe that President Barack Obama has gone far beyond conventional American liberalism and is willfully and relentlessly driving the United States down the road to socialism. No counterevidence will dissuade them from this belief: not record-high corporate profits, not almost 500,000 job losses in the public sector, not the lowest tax rates since the Truman administration. It is not easy to fit this belief alongside the equally strongly held belief that the president is a pitiful, bumbling amateur, dazed and overwhelmed by a job too big for himand yet that is done too.
Did you get the impression from the GOP debates that Obama had lowered taxes? That he had not nationalized but saved the banks? That he had dispatched Osama and Qaddafi? That he had 60 percent support for a sane and succcessful foreign policy? That he was an exemplar of all those social values conservatives say they support: a model husband and father, a black man who has eschewed identity politics almost entirely, a president whose speeches are among the most intellectually Christian of any in modern times? This strange, bizarre hostility to him I put down to displaced anger at Bush, to cultural panic among the old, but also to a wider propaganda support system that is truly a sight to behold:
SNIP:
It was never my party, but it was one to which I could once accord regular agreement and respect. No more. I remain unrepentant in my support for this president, a man who has accomplished more in the face of a more hostile environment in his first three years than any president since Johnson. I wish more reasonable Dems and a few moderate Republicans will soon have the courage to say so.
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He's not the only one not swayed by the hatred. We're still fortunate to have PBO.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#1
Somehow I'd rec'd that but not really read it through in this context. Thanks, sheshe.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#9
That statement wasn't quite correct. But it's close to making ins. coverage universally available.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2013
#6
Except for, oh I don't know, Medicare or the coverage afforded members of Congress or Armed Services
DRoseDARs
Mar 2013
#10
No, ins. coverage hasn't always been universally available to most of the people.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2013
#13
This is not a post about a national care system. This is a post about health care coverage.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2013
#46
Insurance companies turn down claims for things that are supposed to be covered all the time
eridani
Mar 2013
#54
Private insurance is the cause of people dying because they can't pay for health care
eridani
Mar 2013
#61
For the umpteenth time, this isn't a thread about a system our country doesn't have. It's about
Honeycombe8
Mar 2013
#55
Evidentally you didn't read my post close enough. "...available to anyone that can afford it."
DRoseDARs
Mar 2013
#19
I'm in the same boat as you Honeycombe. I've got a few years to go until I can qualify for Medicare
xtraxritical
Mar 2013
#41
I feel for you. I have coverage now thru employer, but I was unemployed a short time
Honeycombe8
Mar 2013
#48
Andrew Sullivan is a conservagay. While he isn't as completely nutzoid as his contemporaries...
DRoseDARs
Mar 2013
#8
I've no idea which ones have or haven't. But traditional Medicaid, as in my OP here, covers more.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#23
It was, or about the same. The fight is within the states, where it always was.
freshwest
Mar 2013
#33
Andrew Sullivan is a conservative. He never misses a chance to refer dismissively to "lefies" as if
MotherPetrie
Mar 2013
#51