Election Reform

randr

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91. The question of voteing manipulation is serious

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:14 PM

Apr 2016

We are always assured the the system we have is in place to safeguard our votes.
I propose that the system we have is in place so our votes can be manipulated.
For proof I offer the fact that we spend countless billions of dollars in every conceivable manner each and every day. The computerized electronic banking is not prone to mistakes. In fact over the course of my life they have never misplaced a red cent or credited my account mistakenly.
If we have the capability to count each and every cent spent each and every day we certainly have the technical expertise to accurately count our votes once every two years.
The fact that we do not use as trusted a system as the financial industry uses leads me to believe that the only reason we don't is so the antiquated system we do use can be misused.

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Were Electronic Voting Machines Hacked? - Did Hillary Actually Win All Those States? [View all] Yallow Apr 2016 OP

"What could go wrong there?" dchill Apr 2016 #1

The electronic voting system has been abused from the start tikka Apr 2016 #2

The results have reflected the polls leading into the contests. stopbush Apr 2016 #3

What about the purging in Brooklyn. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #8

Well, those problems in Brooklyn affected Hillary, not Sanders. stopbush Apr 2016 #10

really? greymouse Apr 2016 #56

Bernie's "home" territory whee he hasn't lived in how many decades? Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #71

Isn't that a joke? He turned his back on Brooklyn in his twenties and made his home in VT. pnwmom Apr 2016 #97

Hillary was the strongest in all 5 boroughs. Brooklyn was in for Hillary, not Bernie. pnwmom Apr 2016 #96

so said the blackboxes questionseverything Apr 2016 #128

The OP doesn't apply to NY because NY doesn't use electronic voting machines--only verifiable paper. pnwmom Apr 2016 #141

they count the paper ballots with optical scanners that are electronic questionseverything Apr 2016 #142

The paper ballots remain and can be easily verified. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #143

except they aren't verified questionseverything Apr 2016 #145

How so? Wibly Apr 2016 #69

Exit polls are the way to verify the integrity of elections. Old Crow Apr 2016 #9

And Bernie won MA: HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #24

Interesting piece. Thanks for directing me to it! (N/T) Old Crow Apr 2016 #25

You're welcome. HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #31

5) Accuse all criticism of obvious election anomalies as the product of conspiracy theory whiners. sorechasm Apr 2016 #90

Well done!! HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #98

As international observer here since 2003 I concur, Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #103

Well said. The reason nothing gets done to fix the election process is that we expect something rhett o rick Apr 2016 #125

And the hits just keep coming. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #88

Disturbing. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #29

That was my reaction also: "Disturbing." Old Crow Apr 2016 #36

Precisely. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #42

+ infinity berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #60

Because people always answer truthfully dlwickham Apr 2016 #65

The way to verify the integrity of an election ... aggiesal Apr 2016 #67

If ballots can be hand-counted, yes. Old Crow Apr 2016 #78

I agree ... aggiesal Apr 2016 #124

And I am 100% sure the polls and pollsters could never be bought and sold.... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #59

Technically, it's not election fraud RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #4

Not exactly. Old Crow Apr 2016 #11

this is correct. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #18

No that would be voter fraud Fiendish Thingy Apr 2016 #13

No, what you describe is voter fraud. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #45

Voter fraud is what you said was election fraud, voter fraud is pretty rare. All in it together Apr 2016 #111

We cannot have another stolen election felix_numinous Apr 2016 #5

The primaries have already been stolen, RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #12

I agree felix_numinous Apr 2016 #14

...and given the positions of the "frontrunners", which party wins may not make a big difference. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #16

Not getting enough voters to vote for your preferred choice does cstanleytech Apr 2016 #17

If you are able to view the situation objectively... Old Crow Apr 2016 #22

Nice felix_numinous Apr 2016 #44

When the same problems show up in state after state there jwirr Apr 2016 #38

No, I am not expecting you to sweep anything under the rug I am just pointing out that cstanleytech Apr 2016 #85

As far as I know no one has suggested that. jwirr Apr 2016 #95

Too late. It has already happened. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #30

It has felix_numinous Apr 2016 #34

Do you often visit Ed Morrissey's website for news on Democrats? Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #6

The More You Ignore Him, The Closer He Gets Orrex Apr 2016 #15

The best analysis of the exit poll discrepancies I've seen... Old Crow Apr 2016 #7

I said this would happen before primary voting began. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #19

And you are not the only one. zeemike Apr 2016 #58

Enough of us are mobilized with Bernie to make this an issue at the Convention. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #73

We can't expect Bernie to lead this. zeemike Apr 2016 #84

I agree we can't expect Bernie to lead us. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #86

Did This Crap Happen In The Primaries? Yallow Apr 2016 #20

A Nice Even Number Yallow Apr 2016 #21

Actually it was a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy to engage in election fraud. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #32

Yep. That too. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #46

Yallow, for a paper record saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #23

The Chicago election board audit is particularly frustrating because even audit of paper records... lostnfound Apr 2016 #62

Paper ballots have always been easy to screw with. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #101

Paper ballots are re-countable, but there's no paper trail on voting machines. All in it together Apr 2016 #118

paper ballots counted openly,live streamed on the net, with multiple observers would be difficult to questionseverything Apr 2016 #127

It used to be that people made out their paper ballot and stuffed them into the ballot box at the LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #129

hand counted paper ballots at the precinct is the answer questionseverything Apr 2016 #130

It would take a while since the county clerk has watch the counting so that the county LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #132

no the county clerk does not have to watch the counting questionseverything Apr 2016 #139

HotAir is a right wing nut website. Gman Apr 2016 #26

It Was Just The First Google Search Result Yallow Apr 2016 #35

It's still a right wing website Gman Apr 2016 #119

Welcome to the digital age SmittynMo Apr 2016 #27

It's the inevitability libodem Apr 2016 #28

When peaceful revolution becomes impossible violent revolution becomes inevitable. kpola12 Apr 2016 #33

And those were JFK's words for anyone who is interested. jwirr Apr 2016 #43

yes, as we were warned... Dragonfli Apr 2016 #114

Election Fraud Found In Illinois, But Who Cares Right Yallow Apr 2016 #37

No and yes. nt OhZone Apr 2016 #39

We'll have paper ballots as well as electronic in Maryland Merryland Apr 2016 #40

Welll u went to the right source,,,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2016 #41

Went Right To The Google Yallow Apr 2016 #48

The very counting of our votes was PRIVATIZED during the 2002 to 2004 period, Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #47

^THIS^ SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #50

You Can't Say Tea Party Yallow Apr 2016 #51

HAVA was a big scam. And poor ol' Rush Holt got taken in. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #49

HAVA=Hinder Americans from Voting Act! RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #89

HAVA = Electronic Voting Machines = Oligarchs Get More Control Yallow Apr 2016 #52

Yes and no. nt KansDem Apr 2016 #53

LOL liberal N proud Apr 2016 #54

LOL... again AlbertCat Apr 2016 #68

. RandySF Apr 2016 #55

Chicago Board Of Elections = Tin Foil Hats Too? Yallow Apr 2016 #57

How To Hack A Voting Machine Yallow Apr 2016 #61

Were electonic voting machines hacked? Did Bernie actually win all those states? beastie boy Apr 2016 #63

any different from that of Hillary? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #70

That's your proof that the voting machines were not "hacked" in Brnie's favor? beastie boy Apr 2016 #74

That's your proof that the voting machines were not "hacked" in Brnie's favor? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #75

I am on subject. That was only half of my post. beastie boy Apr 2016 #80

You folks and your vote popular votes. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #93

Hmmm... a Bernie supporter who knows how to hack a voting machine... beastie boy Apr 2016 #99

A coin flip with the double headed coin and you calling it, I presume. n/t RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #100

You are not accepting popular vote and/or delegate count as a measure of election outcome. beastie boy Apr 2016 #102

Actually Watching MSNBC Show Delegate Math Counting Super Delegate Totals Yallow Apr 2016 #104

So a staring contest is OK by you to determine the winner? beastie boy Apr 2016 #108

Oh, good RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #109

You seem to be fresh out of suggestions for how to determine a winner of the primaries. beastie boy Apr 2016 #112

You Forgot Campaign Contributions Being Illegally Washed Through The DNC Yallow Apr 2016 #113

Ah, good thing you remember the things that don't exist! beastie boy Apr 2016 #115

I Watched The MSNBC Crew Trash Bernie Non Stop Yallow Apr 2016 #116

Bernie outspent Hillary in the US beastie boy Apr 2016 #117

That's only hard money to the campaign, Hillary gets much of hers through other organizations dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #133

You want me to include PAC money? OK. beastie boy Apr 2016 #135

SuperPACs dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #136

Couldn't find data on super pac spending, but here's what they raised: beastie boy Apr 2016 #140

You just keep deflecting dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #146

I accept your surrender. Hard as you may, you can't argue with the numbers. beastie boy Apr 2016 #148

It's a fair question. So. You're in favor of a full audit? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #79

Absolutely! beastie boy Apr 2016 #81

Cool. I look forward to your OP calling for it. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #82

And I look forward to your OP advocating for gun control beastie boy Apr 2016 #83

I posted earlier about some of there strange results in New York passy Apr 2016 #64

Democracy is a lip service item only. nt valerief Apr 2016 #66

Did Bernie actually win those states? SansACause Apr 2016 #72

Darn MFM008 Apr 2016 #76

How can we fix this? I do not trust either party. Jackilope Apr 2016 #77

There is a shameful lack of transparency. Vote2016 Apr 2016 #87

The question of voteing manipulation is serious randr Apr 2016 #91

The electronic voting scares me jpmonk91 Apr 2016 #92

As long as private money Thespian2 Apr 2016 #94

The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #105

Nothing could be sillier sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #106

exactly...look at everything the ptb do right in front of us questionseverything Apr 2016 #110

The only real win is WhiteTara Apr 2016 #107

The thing about touchscreen voting is that you never know for sure what happened eridani Apr 2016 #120

In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights. Scuba Apr 2016 #121

I Sure Don't Trust Them colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #122

I am 100% certain that the fraud that has been FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #123

NO...she did not. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #126

Old VS New? Proposed? SmittynMo Apr 2016 #131

Exactly, I have never understood the "takes too long" argument dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #134

So why hasn't "The establishment" fixed this? SmittynMo Apr 2016 #137

I assume both major parties benefit from it dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #138

hand counted ballots at the precinct while being live streamed would be transparent questionseverything Apr 2016 #144

Yes dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #147

if that is what it takes - make it so clarkkentvotes Sep 2016 #149