Election Reform

RoccoR5955

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4. Technically, it's not election fraud

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:01 PM

Apr 2016

it's voter suppression.
Election fraud would be if voters actually voted fraudulently, and their votes were counted. Who knows, this could have been done too.

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Were Electronic Voting Machines Hacked? - Did Hillary Actually Win All Those States? [View all] Yallow Apr 2016 OP

"What could go wrong there?" dchill Apr 2016 #1

The electronic voting system has been abused from the start tikka Apr 2016 #2

The results have reflected the polls leading into the contests. stopbush Apr 2016 #3

What about the purging in Brooklyn. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #8

Well, those problems in Brooklyn affected Hillary, not Sanders. stopbush Apr 2016 #10

really? greymouse Apr 2016 #56

Bernie's "home" territory whee he hasn't lived in how many decades? Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #71

Isn't that a joke? He turned his back on Brooklyn in his twenties and made his home in VT. pnwmom Apr 2016 #97

Hillary was the strongest in all 5 boroughs. Brooklyn was in for Hillary, not Bernie. pnwmom Apr 2016 #96

so said the blackboxes questionseverything Apr 2016 #128

The OP doesn't apply to NY because NY doesn't use electronic voting machines--only verifiable paper. pnwmom Apr 2016 #141

they count the paper ballots with optical scanners that are electronic questionseverything Apr 2016 #142

The paper ballots remain and can be easily verified. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #143

except they aren't verified questionseverything Apr 2016 #145

How so? Wibly Apr 2016 #69

Exit polls are the way to verify the integrity of elections. Old Crow Apr 2016 #9

And Bernie won MA: HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #24

Interesting piece. Thanks for directing me to it! (N/T) Old Crow Apr 2016 #25

You're welcome. HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #31

5) Accuse all criticism of obvious election anomalies as the product of conspiracy theory whiners. sorechasm Apr 2016 #90

Well done!! HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #98

As international observer here since 2003 I concur, Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #103

Well said. The reason nothing gets done to fix the election process is that we expect something rhett o rick Apr 2016 #125

And the hits just keep coming. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #88

Disturbing. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #29

That was my reaction also: "Disturbing." Old Crow Apr 2016 #36

Precisely. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #42

+ infinity berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #60

Because people always answer truthfully dlwickham Apr 2016 #65

The way to verify the integrity of an election ... aggiesal Apr 2016 #67

If ballots can be hand-counted, yes. Old Crow Apr 2016 #78

I agree ... aggiesal Apr 2016 #124

And I am 100% sure the polls and pollsters could never be bought and sold.... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #59

Technically, it's not election fraud RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #4

Not exactly. Old Crow Apr 2016 #11

this is correct. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #18

No that would be voter fraud Fiendish Thingy Apr 2016 #13

No, what you describe is voter fraud. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #45

Voter fraud is what you said was election fraud, voter fraud is pretty rare. All in it together Apr 2016 #111

We cannot have another stolen election felix_numinous Apr 2016 #5

The primaries have already been stolen, RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #12

I agree felix_numinous Apr 2016 #14

...and given the positions of the "frontrunners", which party wins may not make a big difference. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #16

Not getting enough voters to vote for your preferred choice does cstanleytech Apr 2016 #17

If you are able to view the situation objectively... Old Crow Apr 2016 #22

Nice felix_numinous Apr 2016 #44

When the same problems show up in state after state there jwirr Apr 2016 #38

No, I am not expecting you to sweep anything under the rug I am just pointing out that cstanleytech Apr 2016 #85

As far as I know no one has suggested that. jwirr Apr 2016 #95

Too late. It has already happened. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #30

It has felix_numinous Apr 2016 #34

Do you often visit Ed Morrissey's website for news on Democrats? Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #6

The More You Ignore Him, The Closer He Gets Orrex Apr 2016 #15

The best analysis of the exit poll discrepancies I've seen... Old Crow Apr 2016 #7

I said this would happen before primary voting began. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #19

And you are not the only one. zeemike Apr 2016 #58

Enough of us are mobilized with Bernie to make this an issue at the Convention. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #73

We can't expect Bernie to lead this. zeemike Apr 2016 #84

I agree we can't expect Bernie to lead us. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #86

Did This Crap Happen In The Primaries? Yallow Apr 2016 #20

A Nice Even Number Yallow Apr 2016 #21

Actually it was a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy to engage in election fraud. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #32

Yep. That too. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #46

Yallow, for a paper record saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #23

The Chicago election board audit is particularly frustrating because even audit of paper records... lostnfound Apr 2016 #62

Paper ballots have always been easy to screw with. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #101

Paper ballots are re-countable, but there's no paper trail on voting machines. All in it together Apr 2016 #118

paper ballots counted openly,live streamed on the net, with multiple observers would be difficult to questionseverything Apr 2016 #127

It used to be that people made out their paper ballot and stuffed them into the ballot box at the LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #129

hand counted paper ballots at the precinct is the answer questionseverything Apr 2016 #130

It would take a while since the county clerk has watch the counting so that the county LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #132

no the county clerk does not have to watch the counting questionseverything Apr 2016 #139

HotAir is a right wing nut website. Gman Apr 2016 #26

It Was Just The First Google Search Result Yallow Apr 2016 #35

It's still a right wing website Gman Apr 2016 #119

Welcome to the digital age SmittynMo Apr 2016 #27

It's the inevitability libodem Apr 2016 #28

When peaceful revolution becomes impossible violent revolution becomes inevitable. kpola12 Apr 2016 #33

And those were JFK's words for anyone who is interested. jwirr Apr 2016 #43

yes, as we were warned... Dragonfli Apr 2016 #114

Election Fraud Found In Illinois, But Who Cares Right Yallow Apr 2016 #37

No and yes. nt OhZone Apr 2016 #39

We'll have paper ballots as well as electronic in Maryland Merryland Apr 2016 #40

Welll u went to the right source,,,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2016 #41

Went Right To The Google Yallow Apr 2016 #48

The very counting of our votes was PRIVATIZED during the 2002 to 2004 period, Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #47

^THIS^ SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #50

You Can't Say Tea Party Yallow Apr 2016 #51

HAVA was a big scam. And poor ol' Rush Holt got taken in. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #49

HAVA=Hinder Americans from Voting Act! RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #89

HAVA = Electronic Voting Machines = Oligarchs Get More Control Yallow Apr 2016 #52

Yes and no. nt KansDem Apr 2016 #53

LOL liberal N proud Apr 2016 #54

LOL... again AlbertCat Apr 2016 #68

. RandySF Apr 2016 #55

Chicago Board Of Elections = Tin Foil Hats Too? Yallow Apr 2016 #57

How To Hack A Voting Machine Yallow Apr 2016 #61

Were electonic voting machines hacked? Did Bernie actually win all those states? beastie boy Apr 2016 #63

any different from that of Hillary? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #70

That's your proof that the voting machines were not "hacked" in Brnie's favor? beastie boy Apr 2016 #74

That's your proof that the voting machines were not "hacked" in Brnie's favor? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #75

I am on subject. That was only half of my post. beastie boy Apr 2016 #80

You folks and your vote popular votes. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #93

Hmmm... a Bernie supporter who knows how to hack a voting machine... beastie boy Apr 2016 #99

A coin flip with the double headed coin and you calling it, I presume. n/t RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #100

You are not accepting popular vote and/or delegate count as a measure of election outcome. beastie boy Apr 2016 #102

Actually Watching MSNBC Show Delegate Math Counting Super Delegate Totals Yallow Apr 2016 #104

So a staring contest is OK by you to determine the winner? beastie boy Apr 2016 #108

Oh, good RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #109

You seem to be fresh out of suggestions for how to determine a winner of the primaries. beastie boy Apr 2016 #112

You Forgot Campaign Contributions Being Illegally Washed Through The DNC Yallow Apr 2016 #113

Ah, good thing you remember the things that don't exist! beastie boy Apr 2016 #115

I Watched The MSNBC Crew Trash Bernie Non Stop Yallow Apr 2016 #116

Bernie outspent Hillary in the US beastie boy Apr 2016 #117

That's only hard money to the campaign, Hillary gets much of hers through other organizations dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #133

You want me to include PAC money? OK. beastie boy Apr 2016 #135

SuperPACs dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #136

Couldn't find data on super pac spending, but here's what they raised: beastie boy Apr 2016 #140

You just keep deflecting dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #146

I accept your surrender. Hard as you may, you can't argue with the numbers. beastie boy Apr 2016 #148

It's a fair question. So. You're in favor of a full audit? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #79

Absolutely! beastie boy Apr 2016 #81

Cool. I look forward to your OP calling for it. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #82

And I look forward to your OP advocating for gun control beastie boy Apr 2016 #83

I posted earlier about some of there strange results in New York passy Apr 2016 #64

Democracy is a lip service item only. nt valerief Apr 2016 #66

Did Bernie actually win those states? SansACause Apr 2016 #72

Darn MFM008 Apr 2016 #76

How can we fix this? I do not trust either party. Jackilope Apr 2016 #77

There is a shameful lack of transparency. Vote2016 Apr 2016 #87

The question of voteing manipulation is serious randr Apr 2016 #91

The electronic voting scares me jpmonk91 Apr 2016 #92

As long as private money Thespian2 Apr 2016 #94

The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #105

Nothing could be sillier sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #106

exactly...look at everything the ptb do right in front of us questionseverything Apr 2016 #110

The only real win is WhiteTara Apr 2016 #107

The thing about touchscreen voting is that you never know for sure what happened eridani Apr 2016 #120

In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights. Scuba Apr 2016 #121

I Sure Don't Trust Them colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #122

I am 100% certain that the fraud that has been FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #123

NO...she did not. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #126

Old VS New? Proposed? SmittynMo Apr 2016 #131

Exactly, I have never understood the "takes too long" argument dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #134

So why hasn't "The establishment" fixed this? SmittynMo Apr 2016 #137

I assume both major parties benefit from it dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #138

hand counted ballots at the precinct while being live streamed would be transparent questionseverything Apr 2016 #144

Yes dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #147

if that is what it takes - make it so clarkkentvotes Sep 2016 #149