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17. That's odd. The shelter index increased 0.2% during the 2 month Sept-Nov period, and 3.0% year-over-year
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 11:33 PM
22 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Dec 19, 2025, 03:01 AM - Edit history (1)

according to their numbers
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

The 2-month shelter increase of 0.2% is right in line with the all items inflation number. The year-over-year shelter is 3.0%, higher than the 2.7% all items number.

So the 2-month increase of 0.2% (an average monthly change of 0.1%) is helping to lower the recent month-over-month all-items CPI numbers from what they've been recently (see below the next line)

but is not helping to pull down the year-over-year all-items CPI number, which was 3.0% in September (a 3% increase in shelter does not pull down a 3% increase in all-items CPI. Other things had to increase less than shelter in order to bring all-items CPI down to 2.7%).

As for recent month-to-month changes, here's the 5 months of shelter month-over-month changes thru September;
0.3% 0.2% 0.2% 0.4% 0.2%

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Here's something from Yahoo Finance which I take much of the article with a grain of salt, but "interesting", anyway here's what it says
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cpi-inflation-print-draws-caution-from-economists-its-hard-to-take-this-data-seriously-164227700.html

“It’s hard to take this data seriously. There was no data collection in October and limited collection in November,” Long ((a Navy Federal Union economist --progree)) said. “A key reason inflation cooled unexpectedly is a big easing in rent costs. That doesn’t match up with private sector data, and it doesn’t pass the 'sniff test' of reasonability.”

Indeed, the cost of housing was one of the categories that was immediately debated following the report’s release. Shelter costs comprise about a third of the index, and the Labor Department said that shelter rose 0.2% between September and November. The overall index rose 3% on an annual basis ((The shelter index YOY increased 3.0% per the cpi.nr0.htm table and narrative below the table, so I guess that's what they mean by "overall index" in this case because it doesn't match the CPI YOY increase -progree)).

“It appears that BLS made a big judgment error in its shelter calculation (effectively assuming 0 in October), leading to inflation understated,” Harvard economist Jason Furman said in a post on X. “It is, however, very unlikely this error was political. If anything the opposite: they stuck to algorithm rather than using judgment.” ((I wonder if Wiz Imp agrees they were this stupid, and did their "algorithm" really put Zero or Zero percent increase in place of missing data? And wouldn't it be political if they knew the algorithm did such a stupid thing and they left it stand that way, knowing that it lowered the numbers (shelter and overall CPI), viva La Trump? --progree))

Inflation would still be cooler without the shelter data, Furman noted, just not by as much. ((true on a 2-month basis compared to previous recent, but not true on a YOY basis as I've explained at length above --progree))


Here's another example of dubiousity or misleadingosity:

Long, the Navy Federal Credit Union economist, said one “big driver” of the lower headline inflation number appeared to be “real”: gas prices, which have continued a steady descent below an average of $3 nationally, reaching their lowest levels in over four years.


According to the narrative in cpi.nr0.htm,

energy prices increased 1.1% over the 2 month period ((so a month-to-month average of 0.55%/month))

Their table happens to have the October and November numbers for gasoline (unlike for energy or other components of energy, strange but true):

Gasoline: Oct: -2.1%, Nov: 3.0% (so a 0.9% increase over 2 months, or an average month-over-month of 0.45%/month)

More mathematically correct over the 2 months: 0.979 * 1.03 = 1.00837, which is a 0.837% 2-month increase before rounding

Over the 12 months:
Energy: +4.2%
  Gasoline: +0.9%
  Fuel oil: +11.3%
  Electricity: +6.9%
  Natural gas: +9.1%

So yeah, a mere 0.9% YOY increase in gasoline prices does help, but still, overall Energy soared 4.2%.

So, yes, Dear Leader is a wonderful gasoline president, but what about fuel oil, electricity, natural gas, and energy overall?

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... UpInArms Yesterday #1
Hmm, both indexes gab13by13 Yesterday #2
Did they leave out food and utilities? quaint Yesterday #3
They leave out food and energy in those numbers I believe. The numbers may have also been affected by late lostincalifornia Yesterday #5
No, they are included in the "all items" CPI. It's the CORE CPI that leaves out food and energy. progree Yesterday #7
Thanks, got it. lostincalifornia Yesterday #9
Yes, on the holiday stuff -- it's weird as heck progree Yesterday #11
Declining demand due to economy is driving some prices down lostnfound 16 hrs ago #18
Regardless what the numbers say, the reality is that a hell of a lot of people have been laid off, and while fuel prices lostincalifornia Yesterday #4
Food and energy are included in the numbers, except where it says "all items less food and energy" progree Yesterday #8
I think that is affected by the uncertainty of the Ukraine/Russia situation, and I think colder weather may have come lostincalifornia Yesterday #10
From the source: progree Yesterday #6
I call BS on any number coming from this administration gilpo Yesterday #12
So "things" that were a dollar a year ago aren't even $1.03 now? What are these "things"? twodogsbarking Yesterday #13
This is already being panned by economists PSPS Yesterday #14
So this graph shows that Krasnov lied. He said he would bring prices down. GoodRaisin Yesterday #15
The BLS is a good source somsai Yesterday #16
That's odd. The shelter index increased 0.2% during the 2 month Sept-Nov period, and 3.0% year-over-year progree 22 hrs ago #17
Per Pew Research, here is graphic of basket content weights lostnfound 16 hrs ago #19
"Fuel is fairly flat YOY" - I don't understand this comment progree 12 hrs ago #20
GRAPH - rolling 3 month average of CPI, progree 11 hrs ago #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 10 hrs ago #22
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