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Warpy

(113,131 posts)
41. I can imagine the M&M session that's going to cover this one.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 08:02 PM
Oct 2024

Risk management's bar bill will easily double. This is a nightmare for everybody.

It seems as though something was missed in the process of determining brain death. Even purposeless movement shouldn't have occurred. If there were any random body movements at all on that operating table, someone's head will roll.

This is all over major media in the US over the last 2 days. Most US stories indicate that the surgeons had just started, meaning nothing vital had been removed. The Guardian story was sensationalist and generally terrible.

An incision is a hell of a rude way to wake up a comatose patient. The lawsuit will be a doozy. Having been involved with some of this evaluation of deeply comatose patients, I'm relly wondering what was skipped or unevaluated.

Will Mr. Hoover make a full recovery? Unlikely, his injuries had to be horrendous for him to be considered as a possible donor.


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Mitch? GreenWave Oct 2024 #1
Brain death is not something you can just declare. It has to be very rigorous tornado34jh Oct 2024 #2
How can they tell when Trumpers are involved? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2024 #6
Well, that's why politicians should not be doctors tornado34jh Oct 2024 #13
The gold standard for brain death in Trump supporters AdamGG Oct 2024 #62
Then they clearly didn't follow the rules, because he had a drug overdose. LisaL Oct 2024 #17
Drug intoxication/overdose is one of the excluding criteria tornado34jh Oct 2024 #38
If drug intoxication is the excluding criteria, this guy should have been excluded from the start, because LisaL Oct 2024 #66
The other thing is, usually you have to get neurological examination by at least two independent physicians tornado34jh Oct 2024 #68
Nearly avoided having his organs harvested. LisaL Oct 2024 #70
Who knows? But clearly something went wrong tornado34jh Oct 2024 #71
LOL. I was thinking Matt Bevin, our former governor Redleg Oct 2024 #78
Watch the movie "Coma" PJMcK Oct 2024 #3
And another take on organ harvesting----- ! Jack Valentino Oct 2024 #9
Good choice! PJMcK Oct 2024 #16
Memories from 50 years ago - still randomly firing. erronis Oct 2024 #20
The Galaxy Song is markodochartaigh Oct 2024 #30
Wow Coexist Oct 2024 #4
Holy Fucking Shit LudwigPastorius Oct 2024 #5
Hope the US doesn't go like China. C0RI0LANUS Oct 2024 #7
I've been reading about this sort of thing and it's PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2024 #8
Is the man dead? Akakoji Oct 2024 #10
No, he is very much alive, three years later. LisaL Oct 2024 #15
Article doesn't really say whether he was conscious or still brain dead. maxsolomon Oct 2024 #11
That was three years ago. He is still alive, and there are recent photos of him, where he is very much alive. LisaL Oct 2024 #14
Alive, still brain dead? Alive, awake and conscious? maxsolomon Oct 2024 #19
Alive, awake and conscious. LisaL Oct 2024 #21
Wow. maxsolomon Oct 2024 #31
Thank goodness electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #40
3 Years Old Okie Oct 2024 #74
just realized that myself. maxsolomon Oct 2024 #76
"Died of an overdose" and "organ donor" don't seem to go together ??? CincyDem Oct 2024 #12
He wasn't dead. He is still alive 3 years later. LisaL Oct 2024 #22
This reminds me of the Monty Python sketch Quanto Magnus Oct 2024 #18
Me too mdbl Oct 2024 #39
That's terrible Farmer-Rick Oct 2024 #23
I am not sure what the deal is here. This guy was showing many signs of not being dead. LisaL Oct 2024 #26
Exactly right Farmer-Rick Oct 2024 #67
Eyes can be open and tracking Elessar Zappa Oct 2024 #58
There is something called locked-in syndrome tornado34jh Oct 2024 #60
I realize that locked in syndrome exists. Elessar Zappa Oct 2024 #61
True, but again, a lot of mimics, which is why it has to be so rigorous to be sure that person is brain dead tornado34jh Oct 2024 #63
Better late than never! Iggo Oct 2024 #24
That's why I won't do it. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #25
Creepy! C Moon Oct 2024 #27
This happens one out of how many million times? Blue Owl Oct 2024 #28
How would we know? LisaL Oct 2024 #29
Kick dalton99a Oct 2024 #32
I took my name off the donor list years ago perdita9 Oct 2024 #33
I recently read "The Undead" PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2024 #34
Not "yet" dead ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2024 #35
When I saw Spamalot I bought the souvenier shirt that says "I'm Not Dead Yet" dflprincess Oct 2024 #46
Young, strong pal of my brother-in-law in bad accident, had head injury. In hospital for several days in coma Attilatheblond Oct 2024 #36
What an incredible and moving story. I hope your BIL and you and friends have healed. erronis Oct 2024 #48
Mostly, it was the former fiancee that just flat out refused to give up and knew he was still 'in there' Attilatheblond Oct 2024 #53
Makes me think of the Law & Order Season 8 episode "Harvest" Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #37
I swear there is a "Law and Order" for every situation dflprincess Oct 2024 #47
Well, Law & Order is up to 504 episodes plus SVU is at 554 episodes Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #50
I can imagine the M&M session that's going to cover this one. Warpy Oct 2024 #41
How much money does that hospital get from these harvests? Klarkashton Oct 2024 #42
Soon: johnnyfins Oct 2024 #43
What exactly are you guys up to? BadGimp Oct 2024 #44
"Can I have his brain for my experiment since it isn't dead?" :Dr. Frankenstein Wonder Why Oct 2024 #45
With all the PurgedVoter Oct 2024 #49
What a very thoughtful and thought-provoking reply! I hope others see this and I will try to broadcast it. erronis Oct 2024 #52
So much misinformation in your post. Ms. Toad Oct 2024 #59
Thank you for your clarification PurgedVoter Oct 2024 #64
If you're ever sitting around and thinking "I'm having a really bad day".... rubbersole Oct 2024 #51
Hummm, this might explain the number of Trump voters mjvpi Oct 2024 #54
So... Godot51 Oct 2024 #55
I hate it when that happens. notroot Oct 2024 #56
At least he woke up surrounded by his brain dead kin. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2024 #57
Without his prior written consent? Was it 'by default' on his KY drivers license? ancianita Oct 2024 #65
Just as the surgeon removes the patient's heart... Jacson6 Oct 2024 #69
Being sure of death isn't always easy Maeve Oct 2024 #72
Well. That's unethical as hell. BComplex Oct 2024 #73
Libertarian ninjanurse Oct 2024 #75
anyone read a certain book? PedroXimenez Oct 2024 #77
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