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AZJonnie

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24. Guiffre's 2015 testimony against Maxwell in her civil case mentioned in the OP has long been publicly available
Sat Dec 20, 2025, 01:40 PM
20 hrs ago

In fact it's pretty accurate to say that the entire "Epstein as trafficker to the rich and famous" stemmed from THIS testimony, in her 2015 civil case against Maxwell. The docs from this case (including this deposition, but *less* redacted) were unsealed and released to media less than 24 hours before Epstein killed himself, and that's the day the conspiracy theory about the "pedo cabal" exploded on the scene.

Thus, it's particularly shitty of Pam in the present sense to release a more-redacted version, to the point it's almost performative, like look everyone we're putting this out, but it's not even news (the name of Dubin is also not news), and we can just leave shit out that everyone already knows is there. It's just giant a "fuck y'all" IMHO.

Disclaimer: The point that I will be getting at with what follows in my missive here is that the totality of those facts are such that I'm unconvinced her accounting on Democratic senators George Mitchell (another redacted name) or Bill Richardson (mentioned in the OP) was accurate, please don't read this as my getting after the late Ms. Guiffre, who cannot be expected to exhibit perfect recollections of such traumatic events, 12 to 14 years prior.

One thing I've long noted is that zero people on her 2015 list were known as conservatives, and in this same testimony, in Maxwell's lawyers cross-examination, VG completely absolved Trump of any wrong doing (to her knowledge), on the record, after having previously been reported as saying Trump had been around Epstein's estates at the same time she was, flirting with the girls and women there.

So, in 2015, Maxwell's lawyers basically did Trump a solid and led Guiffre to recant her earlier reported statements about Trump's presence around Epstein and herself. In a suit that was supposed to be about Maxwell. Then this year she was transferred to her cushy new prison digs. Not sure that's a coincidence

Another thing of interest is that at least some people who "helped her remember who these men are" were reporters from the UK Daily Mail*, and there's evidence she was coached by one to name Dershowitz specifically (at that time he was not associated with conservatism/Trump), which he presented in his defense against her claims she had sex with him 6 different times, along with a number of other factual inconsistencies in Guiffre's various accounts and testimonies of events.

She later stipulated she didn't "know the men" other than Andrew, so some were picked from a photo book of known Epstein associates, and she eventually conceded she may have misidentified Dershowitz when they dropped their defamation suits against each other in 2022, with no money changing hands.

* The Daily Mail is generally known as a right‑wing, highly populist UK tabloid with a big readership, strongly conservative editorial line, and a reputation for sensationalism and frequent accuracy complaints



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The coverup continues Blues Heron Friday #1
Well. If this is a transcript of a videotaped deposition, Volaris Friday #2
Good point. Wiz Imp Friday #7
Let the motions and lawsuits to compel compliance begin pat_k Friday #3
It's explicitly stated in the law what can and can't be redacted. Wiz Imp Friday #6
Protecting the criminals. Color me surprised! NOT! BComplex Friday #13
Huh? These restrictions in the law are expicitly to NOT protect the criminals. Wiz Imp Friday #16
Got it! BComplex Yesterday #23
I understand they have to list legal reasons why each and every redaction was made. halobeam Friday #20
Yep. I believe everything you said is correct. Wiz Imp Yesterday #22
They probably will claim that [redacted] os an ongoing investigation Bluetus 12 hrs ago #30
Besides the general hideousness of this (and all the girls, young women violated)... electric_blue68 Friday #4
All redactions by law, were supposed to come with Emile Friday #5
I think that is what is due 15 days from today? halobeam Yesterday #21
And the Trump Administration moved Maxwell to a much cushier prison too. Botany Friday #8
Agreed. And given the specific question about Victoria's Secret lingerie Wiz Imp Friday #9
Les Wexner is the person behind Victoria's Secrets and the brand but he would have no interest in a woman Botany Friday #12
Sorry, but info released in January 2024 confirms it WAS Wexner she was talking about. Wiz Imp Friday #15
That is surprising Botany Friday #18
Wow. Who is questioning her? Demanding, borderline mean. Horrible. Joinfortmill Friday #10
This was in relation to lawsuit against Alan Dershowitz brought by Giuffre's lawyer. Wiz Imp Friday #11
Ah, that explains it. Joinfortmill Friday #14
Working link: Celerity Friday #17
The only way Bondi will release this is when she sees the handcuffs coming for her. mn9driver Friday #19
Guiffre's 2015 testimony against Maxwell in her civil case mentioned in the OP has long been publicly available AZJonnie 20 hrs ago #24
I won't dispute any of the points you make, however you are wrong about one thing. Wiz Imp 19 hrs ago #25
Okay, my bad. I thought your post was in two parts, top and bottom (2015 and 2016 testimonies) AZJonnie 19 hrs ago #26
Like I said. I agree. Especially about Bondi. Wiz Imp 19 hrs ago #28
I don't think she understood that president and prime minister are essentially the same thing. everyonematters 19 hrs ago #27
I think the questioner was trying to trip her up. Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #29
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