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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums*****Updated***** I pulled up a random document from the release and found proof that the DOJ
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blatantly violated the law with their redactions.
*****Updated at Bottom*****
https://www.justice.gov/multimedia/Court%20Records/Giuffre%20v.%20Maxwell,%20No.%20115-cv-07433%20(S.D.N.Y.%202015)/1257-12.pdf
The document is a trancript of a videotaped deposition from Virginia Roberts Giuffre. All of the Ansers under A: here were given by Virginia Giuffre.
Some exceprts:
A. Yes.
Q. And you're aware, are you not, that there
are allegations that you were sexually trafficked being
made in that action, correct?
A. I'm aware that there are allegations that I
was trafficked.
Q. If you turn to page 4 of this document the
numbers are on the bottom of the page. In that first
full paragraph in the third line down it says, Epstein
required Jane Doe #3 to have sexual relations with
Dershowitz on numerous occasions when she was a minor?
MR. SCAROLA: It is a minor discrepancy,
but I think you read it as when she was a minor
and it's while she was a minor.
BY MS. BORJA:
Q. While she was a minor. Do you see where
I'm reading starting in the third line?
A. Yes.
Q. Is that allegation true?
A. Yes.
Q. If you go to page 6 of the do you
see the paragraph that's starts, Epstein also trafficked?
A. Yes.
Q. Is says Epstein also trafficked Jane Doe #3
for sexual purposes to many other powerful men including
numerous prominent American politicians, powerful
business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known
prime minister and other world leaders. Do you see that?
A. Yes.
Q. Is that allegation true?
A. Yes.
Q. The reference there to foreign presidents,
do you see that?
A. Yes.
Q. You were sexually trafficked to foreign
presidents?
A. No.
Q. So that's not true, you were not sexually
trafficked to foreign presidents?
A. I don't know what foreign president you're
talking about.
Q. Have you ever been sexually trafficked to
any foreign president?
A. I understand well-known prime ministers and
other world leaders; as far as foreign presidents, I'm
not too sure, I don't know.
Q. Have you ever met any foreign presidents?
A. Foreign presidents as in overseas?
Sure, okay, overseas.
A. No.
Q. Have you ever met any foreign presidents
from countries not overseas such as Canada or Mexico?
A. No.
Q. So you were not sexually trafficked to any
foreign presidents; is that correct?
A. As far as I know right now, yes.
Q. It's correct that you were not sexually
trafficked to them, right?
A. You've asked me this three times and I'm
telling you.
Q. Okay. A well-known prime minister. Were
you sexually trafficked to a well-known prime minister?
A. Yes.
Q. Who was that?
THE WITNESS: If I can just say, I
personally know that this is not a good person to
talk about and I'm not going to, point blank, I'm
not going to say his name.
Q. Okay. Other world leaders, what other
world leaders were you sexually trafficked to?
A. Okay. Prince Andrew for one.
Q. Other than Prince Andrew?
A. There is another individual that I honestly
do not know his name.
Q. What country is he from?
A. I'm not too sure, he spoke in a foreign --
he did speak foreign tongue, he spoke English as well,
but I'm not too sure where he was from.
Q. How do you know he is world leader?
A. I was introduced to him as a prince.
snip
What other powerful business executives
were you sexually trafficked to?
A. .[Redacted]
Q. Are there witnesses?
A. Besides Epstein instructing me to do so,
no.
Q. What other powerful business executives
that you were sexually trafficked to?
A. .[Redacted]
Q. Who else?
A. I'm just trying to think. This is all very
confronting for me. So at the same token I'm just trying
to recollect everybody. The Dubins, Glen Dubin
Q. You said the Dubins, were you sexually
trafficked to more than one Dubin?
A. No.
Q. Just to Glen?
A. Just to Glen.
Q. Is he the powerful business executive who's
pregnant wife was asleep in the next room.
A. Yes.
Q. What other powerful business executives
were you sexually trafficked to?
A. None that I can remember off the top of my
head.
Q. Was [Redacted] one of the powerful business
executives that you were trafficked to?
A. Yes.
snip
Q. You also referred to prominent American
politicians. What prominent American politicians other
than the ones we've already named were you sexually
trafficked to?
A. The ones I just told you about,
.[Redacted]
Q. How many times were you trafficked to
[Redacted]?
A. I don't know, over two times.
Q. How old were you?
A. Approximately 17, 18.
Q. Are you sure you were underage during one
of those incidents?
A. I can't be 100 percent sure of anything.
It's not like I recorded the dates. I'm just giving you
an approximation.
Q. How many times were you sexually trafficked
to [Redacted]?
A. Twice that I can recall.
snip
Q. How many times did you have sex with
[Redacted]?
A. Multiple.
Q. What's the approximate range of number,
more than three?
A. More than three.
Q. More than five?
A. Possibly.
Q. More than ten?
A. No.
Q. Did ask you to wear any
particular clothing during your sexual trafficking?
A. Yes, I wore lingerie for him.
Q. At his request?
A. It wasn't his request, it was Ghislaine who
set it up for me.
Q. And did she specify baby doll lingerie to
be worn?
A. All different types of lingerie.
Q. Was it specifically Victoria Secret
lingerie?
A. I didn't write the brand.
snip
Q. She's already answered. Now, other than
the people you've already named for me today, were you
sexually trafficked to anyone else during your period
between 1999 and 2002?
A. Yes.
Q. Who else?
A. Alan Dershowitz, [Redacted], the obvious
people that I've already stated. [Redacted],
Jeffrey Epstein obviously, Ghislaine Maxwell, you know,
there's people that I just -- I honestly can't think of
everybody right now. I do feel like I am under a lot of
pressure to answer the questions and I'm doing the best
that I can honestly.
Q. Were you sexually trafficked to
[Redacted]?
A. Yes.
snip
There's a lot more here and I cut out the crosstalk between the lawyers and judge. But in the portion I posted, Virginia Giuffre explicitly named Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew and Glen Dubin as men she was trafficked to. None odf their names were redacted. But she named a bunch of other men whose names were redacted. Her accusations against Dershowitz and Prince Andrew were certainly already known t the public, I'm not sure about Dubin. I'm guessing that is why they were not redacted. I assume all the redacted names have not previously been named in public, but the law explicitly says "No record shall be withheld, delayed, or redacted on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity" so there should be no justification for redacting those names. I believe those to be illegal redactions.
*****Update 2******
I found a version of this deposition released in 2024. It still has redactions, but far fewer than what the DOJ released today. Othe names NOT redacted initially but redacted now include Bill Richardson, Jean Brunel, Marvin Minsky & Tom Pritzker and possibly more.
https://www.scribd.com/document/697783665/Virginia-Giuffre-Deposition
*****Update*****
At least some of this deposition was released before. This article from January 2024 talks about the section where Virginia Giuffre was questioned about wearing lingerie for this specific person. In the files just released, this persons name was redacted. But in 2024, it was this person's name was released and it was Les Wexner.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/epstein-victim-says-ohio-billionaire-005322802.html
The documents from the 17th Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, tied to a Jan. 16, 2016, deposition of Virginia Roberts Giuffre, show quotes where she directly names L Brands creator Leslie Wexner as one of the powerful business executives she was sexually trafficked to.
During direct questioning by attorney Mary Borja, Giuffre confirmed she had sex with Wexner more than three times, but not more than 10. She also described an instance where Epsteins co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell, arranged for Giuffre to wear specific outfits for Wexner.
Additionally, Giuffre described a specific incident in New Mexico where the billionaire was also involved with Sarah Kellen, a member of Epsteins inner circle who has also described herself as one of Epsteins victims.
How do you know that she had sex with Les Wexner? Borja asked.
I was there, Giuffre replied.
How many times did you and Les Wexner and Sarah Kellen have sex together? Borja asked.
Once that I remember, Giuffre said.
Blues Heron
(8,221 posts)Volaris
(11,337 posts)It follows that DOJ has THE VIDEOTAPE, as well. Where in the files is that?
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)pat_k
(12,663 posts)Aside from victim protection, I don't think the law stated anything about protecting information arbitrarily deemed "sensitive" or "private individuals" arbitrarily deemed in need of protection.
Classification of information is subject to judicial review.
And there will be challenges.
There is no way they can keep the lid on things indefinitely given the number of people who have seen various parts of these files over many years.
I can't imagine any court not declaring the scrubbing of trump and other "private individuals" a violation of the law given the public interest in knowing the extent to which the man occupying the white house, and other powerful men, were , or were not involved -- whether it be facilitating the "business," turning a blind eye, or as a client.
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)What can be redacted:
(A) contain personally identifiable information of victims or victims personal and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
(B) depict or contain child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) as defined under 18 U.S.C. 2256 and prohibited under 18 U.S.C. 22522252A;
(C) would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary;
(D) depict or contain images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person;
(E) contain information specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and are in fact properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.
You'll notice there is nothing in there to justify redacting names of people who had interaction with Epstein just because naming them would cause them embarrassment. In fact, the law explicitly stated the opposite.
Too bad if you're embarassed by being connected to Epstein. Even if you're innocent, the law explicitly bars the DOJ from redacting your name.
BComplex
(9,724 posts)And this line is something that stands out from what you posted, Wiz Imp:
(D) depict or contain images of death, physical abuse, or injury of any person;
So, a victim can't depict physical abuse that has gone on to harm a victim from one of these pedo perps?
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)You're completely misreading it. It does not say "a victim can't depict physical abuse that has gone on to harm a victim from one of these pedo perps". It says the DOJ can't publicly release pictures showing that abuse. The purpose of this is to protect the victims. Any evidence like that is perfectly permissable to be used as evidence against the criminals. (And the law requires them to explain all withheld information and all redactions so if there is any such evidence, the DOJ must say 'we withheld pictures of Victim X being abused by Perp Y - only with Perp Y being explicitly named - because it depicted physical abuse). And it's always been perfectly acceptable (and legal) for victims to publicly share any evidence they have against anyone.
BComplex
(9,724 posts)halobeam
(5,081 posts)If I understand correctly, they have 15 days from today, to turn in the full list of every single redaction and the SPECIFIC reason for it, and correctly classified -as stated in the bill
Additionally, (per the bill) these redactions are only temporary, as they must turn in every redaction, in its unredacted state, to congress (committies?) I'm almost certain the unredacted pages are also due in 15 days.
Furthermore. this bill that past both houses states they can only make minimal redactions, not full pages.
There's so much they already didn't comply with, these are just a few things (not to mention the full file was due today)
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)electric_blue68
(25,541 posts)going waaay back (and never met him) I'm 2 degrees of separation with Dubin.
Ewwwww.
I'd actually forgotten about that. When I found out a few years back, it had nothing to do with Epstein. But it was kind of freaky; being he's a billionaire.
Emile
(40,233 posts)reason why something was redacted. No reasons for any of the redactions were given.
halobeam
(5,081 posts)Botany
(76,199 posts)A. Yes, I wore lingerie for him.
Q. At his request?
A. It wasn't his request, it was Ghislaine who
set it up for me.
Q. And did she specify baby doll lingerie to
be worn?
A. All different types of lingerie.
These are sick people. I believe that Ms. Guiffre committed suicide @ 40.
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)it's hard not conclude that this person whose name was redacted is Les Wexner (founder of Victoria's Secret) who we know had a close relationshup with Epstein. Why would they ask if she wore specifically Victoria's Secret lingerie for this man unless it was a person connected to to the company.
Botany
(76,199 posts).. or girl in his frisky outfits for his own pleasures. I am sure that Epstein supplied him with
partners that were of more interest to him.
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)So at least part of this deposition was previously released WITHOUT Wexner's name redacted.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/epstein-victim-says-ohio-billionaire-005322802.html
The documents from the 17th Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, tied to a Jan. 16, 2016, deposition of Virginia Roberts Giuffre, show quotes where she directly names L Brands creator Leslie Wexner as one of the powerful business executives she was sexually trafficked to.
During direct questioning by attorney Mary Borja, Giuffre confirmed she had sex with Wexner more than three times, but not more than 10. She also described an instance where Epsteins co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell, arranged for Giuffre to wear specific outfits for Wexner.
Additionally, Giuffre described a specific incident in New Mexico where the billionaire was also involved with Sarah Kellen, a member of Epsteins inner circle who has also described herself as one of Epsteins victims.
How do you know that she had sex with Les Wexner? Borja asked.
I was there, Giuffre replied.
How many times did you and Les Wexner and Sarah Kellen have sex together? Borja asked.
Once that I remember, Giuffre said.
Botany
(76,199 posts)N/t
Joinfortmill
(19,874 posts)Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)So the questioners were Dershowitz's lawyers - mainly Mary Borja (Giuffre was not party to this lawsuit but had filed a separate lawsuit herself against Dershowitz for defamation. She was just a witness in this case.)
Joinfortmill
(19,874 posts)Celerity
(53,510 posts)mn9driver
(4,811 posts)It will be a long wait.
AZJonnie
(2,651 posts)In fact it's pretty accurate to say that the entire "Epstein as trafficker to the rich and famous" stemmed from THIS testimony, in her 2015 civil case against Maxwell. The docs from this case (including this deposition, but *less* redacted) were unsealed and released to media less than 24 hours before Epstein killed himself, and that's the day the conspiracy theory about the "pedo cabal" exploded on the scene.
Thus, it's particularly shitty of Pam in the present sense to release a more-redacted version, to the point it's almost performative, like look everyone we're putting this out, but it's not even news (the name of Dubin is also not news), and we can just leave shit out that everyone already knows is there. It's just giant a "fuck y'all" IMHO.
Disclaimer: The point that I will be getting at with what follows in my missive here is that the totality of those facts are such that I'm unconvinced her accounting on Democratic senators George Mitchell (another redacted name) or Bill Richardson (mentioned in the OP) was accurate, please don't read this as my getting after the late Ms. Guiffre, who cannot be expected to exhibit perfect recollections of such traumatic events, 12 to 14 years prior.
One thing I've long noted is that zero people on her 2015 list were known as conservatives, and in this same testimony, in Maxwell's lawyers cross-examination, VG completely absolved Trump of any wrong doing (to her knowledge), on the record, after having previously been reported as saying Trump had been around Epstein's estates at the same time she was, flirting with the girls and women there.
So, in 2015, Maxwell's lawyers basically did Trump a solid and led Guiffre to recant her earlier reported statements about Trump's presence around Epstein and herself. In a suit that was supposed to be about Maxwell. Then this year she was transferred to her cushy new prison digs. Not sure that's a coincidence
Another thing of interest is that at least some people who "helped her remember who these men are" were reporters from the UK Daily Mail*, and there's evidence she was coached by one to name Dershowitz specifically (at that time he was not associated with conservatism/Trump), which he presented in his defense against her claims she had sex with him 6 different times, along with a number of other factual inconsistencies in Guiffre's various accounts and testimonies of events.
She later stipulated she didn't "know the men" other than Andrew, so some were picked from a photo book of known Epstein associates, and she eventually conceded she may have misidentified Dershowitz when they dropped their defamation suits against each other in 2022, with no money changing hands.
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)The testimony I posted was NOT from Virginia Giuffre's 2015 civil case against Maxwell. It was from a a 2016 lawsuit by Bradley Edwards & Paul Cassell against Alan Dershowitz. Virginia Giuffre was NOT a party to this lawsuit. She was strictly called as a witness.
Edwards and Cassell were suing for defamation because Dershowitz claimed that they knowingly filed a lawsuit containing falsehoods about him or at least failed to properly investigate their clients allegations that Dershowitz had sexual relations with her when she was a minor. Again, Virginia Giuffre's only connection to this case was because she was called as a witness. She later filed her own defamation case against Dershowitz.
Here is Giuffre's deposition in her case against Maxwell. Much of the testimony is similar but it is not the same.
https://assets.newsweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/468905-jeffrey-epstein-files-giuffre-v-maxwell-deposition.pdf
AZJonnie
(2,651 posts)The top section looks a lot like what she said against Maxwell in 2015 but I don't have it entirely memorized or anything (just the NAMES).
My mistake, thanks!
Still ridiculous of Bondi to release anything in a MORE redacted format than it's been previously publicly available
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)To think it's OK to redact stuff that has already been release unredacted is insane. It definitely smacks of trying to cover up something.
everyonematters
(4,001 posts)The interrogator never explained that.
Wiz Imp
(8,672 posts)In the end, I'm not sure why it was supposed to make a difference. Being trafficked to ANYONE is a crime.
BTW, I'm pretty sure the Prime Minister she refused to name was Ehud Barak of Israel. In her memoir, she still didn't name him but said the man was a "sadist" who took pleasure in her pain, repeatedly choked her until she passed out, and laughed at her pleas to stop. She was left bleeding after the assault on Jeffrey Epstein's private island in 2002, when she was 18. It may be too late to charge him with the worst of his crimes due to the statute of limitations, but any possible legal consequences that can be brought against him need to be done.