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120. Too much focus on abortion.

Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:50 PM

Nov 2024

There are a lot more women's rights issues that need attention. When you spend so much time on one, people who have others at the top of their list feel left out. We needed a broader message, but went too deep on topics that didn't resonate as much as we thought they did.

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45% of women voted for Trump. Yet, folks here are blaming men for Kamala's loss? [View all] PeaceWave Nov 2024 OP

Lazy journalism using grossly oversimplified gender stats Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #1

I took a Rutgers-Eagleton class on Woman & Politics and a solid 45% of women voted paternalistic since 1974. TheBlackAdder Nov 2024 #12

Thank you for this response. It goes to what I'm getting at. How do we change this pattern? PeaceWave Nov 2024 #14

It seems to be an immovable object. TheBlackAdder Nov 2024 #17

And yet the data for subgroups of women shows otherwise Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #34

45% is STILL a minority.. whathehell Nov 2024 #89

Yes, but one that is offset by the larger gender bias men have towards women. TheBlackAdder Nov 2024 #91

I read somewhere that Trump grabbed 55% of the male vote. taxi Nov 2024 #2

Yes ... barely. AlanAdam Nov 2024 #48

There is also the weird perception mr715 Nov 2024 #3

Are we all on gender teams now? Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #4

Really a lot of sexism in that article. travelingthrulife Nov 2024 #65

The content of the op is simply the op's opinion, not the BBC writers'. spooky3 Nov 2024 #116

Yes, how dare people blame men for Trump winning Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #5

It's misogynistic to point out that fewer women voted for Kamala than men for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 2024 #6

Are you serious? Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #18

If by "this person" you are referring to me, I am not "twisting myself in knots" to do anything other than... PeaceWave Nov 2024 #19

Why are you blaming women rather than focusing on this FACT? spooky3 Nov 2024 #29

Okay, I'll bite. UniqueUserName Nov 2024 #60

"they valued White privilege over women's issues" GreenEyedLefty Nov 2024 #110

What? That statement is incorrect. yardwork Nov 2024 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Nov 2024 #54

Been a lot of that blaming shit going on lately... Wounded Bear Nov 2024 #7

And yet, somehow, the candidate or the campaign team or the party elites and all of their decisions Seeking Serenity Nov 2024 #8

I guess we don't want to win back any voters we lost to Trump SunImp Nov 2024 #13

Come up with some meaningful strategies to do that and I'm right there with you... Wounded Bear Nov 2024 #15

No, I'm saying the same thing SunImp Nov 2024 #16

Run a middle-aged white straight protestant man Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #82

Sadly, that's what we'll have to do. Thankfully, there are a few of them out there... Wounded Bear Nov 2024 #92

Doesn't have to be white or Protestant GreenEyedLefty Nov 2024 #111

I disagree. What we are seeing is contagious. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #112

I agree with this but my point was GreenEyedLefty Nov 2024 #113

Definitely. Breaks my damn heart. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #114

I'd guess we do want to win back those voters.. whathehell Nov 2024 #93

Yeah, but this is among the most moronic. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #80

Sickening and outdated stereotypes Walleye Nov 2024 #90

If tRump is who men identify with...... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2024 #9

Again, 45% of women identified with Trump. My question is why? PeaceWave Nov 2024 #10

Lack of self esteem perhaps? ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2024 #11

misogyny is actually pretty prevalent with women Takket Nov 2024 #21

Like all oppressed groups, women tend to internalize whathehell Nov 2024 #55

Same as many of the factors associated with men's voting for him spooky3 Nov 2024 #31

Their preachers told them to... Hope22 Nov 2024 #51

very easy answer recovering_democrat Nov 2024 #86

Oblivious to face-eating leopards perhaps? Zambero Nov 2024 #87

Yes. I'm blaming men. Quiet Em Nov 2024 #20

Because those guys are a holes. We get that. But, it's akin to... PeaceWave Nov 2024 #22

Trump supporters and his campaign made it very clear that this was a movement against women Quiet Em Nov 2024 #23

And, it doesn't deeply concern you that 45% of women STILL voted for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 2024 #24

Of course I am. Quiet Em Nov 2024 #25

Without discounting the existence of mental abuse that absolutely does exist... PeaceWave Nov 2024 #28

No. It's not a reach. Quiet Em Nov 2024 #30

An additional 2% of all the Men in every racial whathehell Nov 2024 #121

I don't get how "out of fear" works, they can vote for whoever & tell hubby the voted for the orangutang, right? EX500rider Nov 2024 #66

Never mind wryter2000 Nov 2024 #26

Women shop at grocery stores more than men at140 Nov 2024 #27

Every woman in my extended family is the primary shopper. All voted for Kamala. PeaceWave Nov 2024 #33

Your extended family is not representative of all women at140 Nov 2024 #35

My Mom is an immigrant from Guatemala. Feel free to tell me more about my family. PeaceWave Nov 2024 #36

Who said all Guatemalans are poor? at140 Nov 2024 #75

Mass deportations and insane tariffs have a zero percent chance of not increasing food prices TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #69

Where did you read I was offering tariffs as a solution? at140 Nov 2024 #78

That was the alternative so I don't see any room for excuses. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #84

As we're hauled off to the gulag we'll be seen screaming at each other, "It's your fault!!!" jalan48 Nov 2024 #32

One thing I know for sure Meowmee Nov 2024 #39

I don't care for the blame games either Quiet Em Nov 2024 #41

What's hard to understand? DiamondShark Nov 2024 #37

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency Quiet Em Nov 2024 #38

This is what has been related to me by women both in their personal lives and in their corporate jobs. PeaceWave Nov 2024 #44

Seriously? Quiet Em Nov 2024 #47

Are you suggesting that female rivalry in the workplace isn't a thing? Or just ignoring it. PeaceWave Nov 2024 #50

You need to make better female friends. yardwork Nov 2024 #67

I'm straight, and I have found the same. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #83

I know! It's almost unbelievable. yardwork Nov 2024 #88

It's a quote. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #57

this is such bullshit. nt GenThePerservering Nov 2024 #63

It's a quote from OP. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #73

Have you ever heard of Internalized Misandry'? whathehell Nov 2024 #76

I quoted OP and asked a question. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #108

I replied to your question whathehell Nov 2024 #109

It was sarcasm. I was +1 K&R PeaceWave's OP DiamondShark Nov 2024 #115

Sure, whatever.. whathehell Nov 2024 #119

Not my fault, your sarcasm detector is broken. DiamondShark Nov 2024 #123

There's a lot of blame to go around. BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #40

It's mostly White xtian voters who are a larger group than others JI7 Nov 2024 #42

At the end of the day, the question is this... PeaceWave Nov 2024 #43

The last Democrat to win a majority of the white vote (men and women)? Dem4life1970 Nov 2024 #45

Why are you bringing up race? This thread is addressing gender voting issues. PeaceWave Nov 2024 #46

Numbers within the numbers..... marmar Nov 2024 #64

Just being real, as I said. Dem4life1970 Nov 2024 #105

45% of WHITE women with little or no college education tenderfoot Nov 2024 #49

Compared to 69% of White MEN with little to no whathehell Nov 2024 #59

He certainly got the poorly educated WHITE vote tenderfoot Nov 2024 #71

It would seem so, although he did, whathehell Nov 2024 #74

Many American Women Love Трамп MrWowWow Nov 2024 #52

More American Men than Women love Trump.. whathehell Nov 2024 #58

92% of black women voted for Harris. ismnotwasm Nov 2024 #53

75% of black men voted for Harris bigtree Nov 2024 #68

Yup ismnotwasm Nov 2024 #70

The most vocal trump supporters I've met have been women. nt RandiFan1290 Nov 2024 #56

Because more men than women voted Trump Ndp5 Nov 2024 #61

Okay, we get it....you want the Democratic party Bettie Nov 2024 #72

white women, to be precise. And white men. CousinIT Nov 2024 #77

Oh, FFS. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #79

Hate and social media and ignorance trumps. So many people voting for Trump LizBeth Nov 2024 #81

They are not finished counting ballots Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #85

Math that up. AkFemDem Nov 2024 #94

Also- I love my women friends AkFemDem Nov 2024 #95

Can you believe this shit? Next they'll be saying we're upset because our wombs are moving around. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #97

Maybe the reasons women vote for Trump and the reasons men do are not the same. milestogo Nov 2024 #96

Sorry, but this guy is explicitly blaming women for Trump's win Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #98

Wrong. I'm asking folks to be accountable, rather than simply blame one demographic group. PeaceWave Nov 2024 #100

Your quote is a rimshot. Sorry. nt GenThePerservering Nov 2024 #102

I blame all the blociheads who didn't vote against Trump. Ping Tung Nov 2024 #99

Anybody notice that there are a lot threads lately masquerading as "election analysis," but which are just Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #101

Yes, the BBC thing confused me. I think it was to find the stats? Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #106

Yes hmmm Meowmee Nov 2024 #125

I blame everyone who didn't vote or voted for the Orange Abomination. LoisB Nov 2024 #103

Last time I took math, back in the last millenium, 55 was more than 45. niyad Nov 2024 #104

lol Meowmee Nov 2024 #122

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency to tear each other do BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 2024 #107

As compared to Biden, Harris lost more men, more minorities, younger voters, and low-income voters Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #117

How can you be content that "women held steady" when the opponent was a rapist? PeaceWave Nov 2024 #118

I didn't say I was content. I was responding to your assertion that women, not men, are to blame. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #124

Read my post again. Nowhere did I say that "women, not men, are to blame." PeaceWave Nov 2024 #126

What I see is a man trying to shift blame away from himself and onto women Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #128

We're at an impasse. You're willing to accept the status quo where "women hold steady." I am not. PeaceWave Nov 2024 #129

You are the one who chose the group. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #130

Too much focus on abortion. confoosed Nov 2024 #120

Women can be DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #127