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stopdiggin

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57. which is where hand count 'audits' come into play

Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:37 PM

Nov 17

But 'hand counting' hundreds of thousands of ballots - each with multiple races, propositions and bond issues (and sometimes multiple picks within a race) - requires an army of human processors and then ballots being handled and counted several times (by different teams?) - shuffled from one station to another ....

And then how on earth do you audit or quality control THAT product or result .. ? It's a prescription for ... Well - let's just be kind and say inaccuracies, frustrations, skepticism - and then, almost inevitably, the same predictable calls of 'cheating! and fraud!'.

Because - to come full circle - the conspiracy boobs and wingnuts, are going to 'wingnut'. As they always do. And just as they are now .... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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If there was cheating in the last election... [View all] kentuck Nov 16 OP

Have you read Stephen Spoonamore's letter to VP Harris? Loupe Garoue Nov 16 #1

i saw something posted earlier about it... kentuck Nov 16 #2

I am suspicious of republicans like Spoonamore. DiamondShark Nov 17 #35

I just read about half of the Spoonamore letter. Jeebo Nov 17 #76

There is always a little cheating. Groundhawg Nov 16 #3

Marc Elias says no fraud Abnredleg Nov 16 #4

Mark did not address NJCher Nov 16 #5

Has Spoonsmore's information been substantiated? Kaleva Nov 16 #6

Not sure NJCher Nov 16 #7

11% of NCs ballots being bullet votes for one Kaleva Nov 16 #9

It would seem that NJCher Nov 16 #12

Ok. Thanks! Kaleva Nov 16 #13

You don't need to call an elections office to know that it's false FBaggins Nov 17 #46

Yes! We definitely need to confirm there is nothing wrong there! Think. Again. Nov 17 #27

True. Verifying Spoonamore's info is important Kaleva Nov 17 #45

Absolutely, the allegations in the first letter from the cybersecurity expert group must be carefully investigated also Think. Again. Nov 17 #47

His numbers just don't add up Zeitghost Nov 16 #18

Good point! Yet another reason to verify all this through recounts! Think. Again. Nov 17 #28

He doesn't need to FBaggins Nov 17 #25

Provide links NJCher Nov 17 #26

What an ironic response FBaggins Nov 17 #31

You're calling NJCher Nov 17 #33

Sure. Or "entirely fabricated/unsubstantiated claims outside of reality " FBaggins Nov 17 #38

Oh, you mean like any allegation of a crime having been committed? Would those be woo's? Think. Again. Nov 17 #48

Any allegation? No FBaggins Nov 17 #50

You must stay very busy deciding all those 911 calls. Think. Again. Nov 17 #52

Spoonamore claims to be a republican in the Nov-15-24 letter that is circulating. DiamondShark Nov 17 #37

As I addressed FBaggins Nov 17 #40

I'm a slow typer it seems. DiamondShark Nov 17 #41

You mean like Liz Cheney? Think. Again. Nov 17 #49

What about Liz Cheney? I don't follow. DiamondShark Nov 17 #68

Doesn't she say she's a republican too? Think. Again. Nov 17 #71

Oh, I thought Liz Cheney was doing something important and I missed it. DiamondShark Nov 17 #77

I don't know, ask him? Think. Again. Nov 17 #78

I think vetting the person you are promoting in these posts is the best path forward. DiamondShark Nov 17 #79

If you are trying to convince me that... Think. Again. Nov 17 #81

hmm... DiamondShark Nov 17 #82

Paper ballots are tabulated by digital machines. Think. Again. Nov 17 #83

I implore you to come work at any County Election Department... DiamondShark Nov 17 #84

If I do, will that make all the digitized tabulation machines disappear or something? Think. Again. Nov 17 #85

You would learn how we public workers secure our elections against bad actors. DiamondShark Nov 17 #86

And I can teach what I do also.... Think. Again. Nov 17 #87

I concede the argument. DiamondShark Nov 17 #88

Cool, did you happen to know the election workers.... Think. Again. Nov 17 #89

Please stop. DiamondShark Nov 17 #90

After 2004 major security laws and procedures were put in place and thousands of voting machines were replaced. Think. Again. Nov 17 #30

And yet, North Carolina just elected a Dem Governor FakeNoose Nov 17 #51

Racism Cetacea Nov 17 #73

He doesn't address the question of citizens being able to oversee their own elections questionseverything Nov 16 #8

Michigan, controlled by Dems, prohibits hand counting of ballots Kaleva Nov 16 #10

the idea that 'hand counting' ballots is more accurate than by machine stopdiggin Nov 16 #19

It's about the transparency questionseverything Nov 17 #21

I'm not real sold on the 'transparancy' argument either stopdiggin Nov 17 #24

The obvious idea is that using 2 different processes to count the same numbers will expose discrepencies. Think. Again. Nov 17 #32

which is where hand count 'audits' come into play stopdiggin Nov 17 #57

Correct, discrepencies discovered during audits would then prompt full recounts to arrive at true results. Think. Again. Nov 17 #58

which is pretty much the system we have in place today ? stopdiggin Nov 17 #60

Except that "non-binding" audits would not necessarily lead to recounts if a candidate doesn't request that... Think. Again. Nov 17 #63

total recounts are arduous and expensive stopdiggin Nov 17 #67

Democracy is arduous and expensive? Think. Again. Nov 17 #70

how profound ! stopdiggin Nov 17 #75

Paper to spot check districts make sense... JT45242 Nov 17 #34

Arizona Republicans wanted to hand-count ballots. Then they saw the price tag -- and the errors. MichMan Nov 17 #43

It's a dumb assed idea. And it really ought to be put to bed. -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 17 #62

And? Cetacea Nov 17 #72

Why did shifts happen in deep blue states? Sympthsical Nov 16 #11

I've already rec'd money requests NJCher Nov 16 #14

That I get Sympthsical Nov 16 #15

if you think it's a matter of NJCher Nov 16 #17

Wisconsin is like 30,000 though, that's about 9 vote change per precinct questionseverything Nov 17 #23

This is a sweeping claim NJCher Nov 16 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Nov 17 #69

Because like I said earlier Blue_Tires Nov 17 #22

And why were shifts LARGER outside the swing states? FBaggins Nov 17 #29

Trump demanded Georgia keep recounting for TWO YEARS Blue_Tires Nov 17 #20

You don't just "ask" for a recount, you have to pay for it MichMan Nov 17 #44

What happened to that billion they raised in 90 days? Blue_Tires Nov 17 #56

I think they spent it all MichMan Nov 17 #59

No chance... Blue_Tires Nov 17 #61

What would be the logic in NOT spending it (and losing) ? MichMan Nov 17 #65

I don't know Blue_Tires Nov 17 #66

Well put and I would point out that moniss Nov 17 #36

If anyone believes psychics are real babsbunny Nov 17 #39

Why would anyone think Republicans are capable of cheating 🤔. Emile Nov 17 #42

It's very hard to accept the reality that half of the country Ocelot II Nov 17 #53

My take is that I wouldn't put it past them, but they are grossly incompetent & arrogant. CrispyQ Nov 17 #54

I think it happened even in red states remo ymor Nov 17 #55

Kamala would not concede if there was large scale cheating Joe_Gadway Nov 17 #64

She couldn't have known at that point. nt Cetacea Nov 17 #74

Her concession from 11/6 is still up on the campaign website. MichMan Nov 17 #80