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24. I'm not real sold on the 'transparancy' argument either

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Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:20 AM

Nov 17

Again (IMO) this is something that just sounds good - rather than actually working very well in practice. After all, in really practical terms, how many 'citizen observers' can we have hanging over the shoulders of election officials as they are trying to do their jobs? And doesn't that in itself introduce a certain amount of additional security risk and opportunity for either chicanery or error? (and we sure as hell don't want the boobs getting anywhere near the machines or any of the set-up!!) Then too, regardless the number of observers granted access - is that ever going to meet with the satisfaction of the boo birds and tin foil types?

But, again - different argument than the one where we originally jumped off the boat ...

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If there was cheating in the last election... [View all] kentuck Nov 16 OP

Have you read Stephen Spoonamore's letter to VP Harris? Loupe Garoue Nov 16 #1

i saw something posted earlier about it... kentuck Nov 16 #2

I am suspicious of republicans like Spoonamore. DiamondShark Nov 17 #35

I just read about half of the Spoonamore letter. Jeebo Nov 17 #76

There is always a little cheating. Groundhawg Nov 16 #3

Marc Elias says no fraud Abnredleg Nov 16 #4

Mark did not address NJCher Nov 16 #5

Has Spoonsmore's information been substantiated? Kaleva Nov 16 #6

Not sure NJCher Nov 16 #7

11% of NCs ballots being bullet votes for one Kaleva Nov 16 #9

It would seem that NJCher Nov 16 #12

Ok. Thanks! Kaleva Nov 16 #13

You don't need to call an elections office to know that it's false FBaggins Nov 17 #46

Yes! We definitely need to confirm there is nothing wrong there! Think. Again. Nov 17 #27

True. Verifying Spoonamore's info is important Kaleva Nov 17 #45

Absolutely, the allegations in the first letter from the cybersecurity expert group must be carefully investigated also Think. Again. Nov 17 #47

His numbers just don't add up Zeitghost Nov 16 #18

Good point! Yet another reason to verify all this through recounts! Think. Again. Nov 17 #28

He doesn't need to FBaggins Nov 17 #25

Provide links NJCher Nov 17 #26

What an ironic response FBaggins Nov 17 #31

You're calling NJCher Nov 17 #33

Sure. Or "entirely fabricated/unsubstantiated claims outside of reality " FBaggins Nov 17 #38

Oh, you mean like any allegation of a crime having been committed? Would those be woo's? Think. Again. Nov 17 #48

Any allegation? No FBaggins Nov 17 #50

You must stay very busy deciding all those 911 calls. Think. Again. Nov 17 #52

Spoonamore claims to be a republican in the Nov-15-24 letter that is circulating. DiamondShark Nov 17 #37

As I addressed FBaggins Nov 17 #40

I'm a slow typer it seems. DiamondShark Nov 17 #41

You mean like Liz Cheney? Think. Again. Nov 17 #49

What about Liz Cheney? I don't follow. DiamondShark Nov 17 #68

Doesn't she say she's a republican too? Think. Again. Nov 17 #71

Oh, I thought Liz Cheney was doing something important and I missed it. DiamondShark Nov 17 #77

I don't know, ask him? Think. Again. Nov 17 #78

I think vetting the person you are promoting in these posts is the best path forward. DiamondShark Nov 17 #79

If you are trying to convince me that... Think. Again. Nov 17 #81

hmm... DiamondShark Nov 17 #82

Paper ballots are tabulated by digital machines. Think. Again. Nov 17 #83

I implore you to come work at any County Election Department... DiamondShark Nov 17 #84

If I do, will that make all the digitized tabulation machines disappear or something? Think. Again. Nov 17 #85

You would learn how we public workers secure our elections against bad actors. DiamondShark Nov 17 #86

And I can teach what I do also.... Think. Again. Nov 17 #87

I concede the argument. DiamondShark Nov 17 #88

Cool, did you happen to know the election workers.... Think. Again. Nov 17 #89

Please stop. DiamondShark Nov 17 #90

After 2004 major security laws and procedures were put in place and thousands of voting machines were replaced. Think. Again. Nov 17 #30

And yet, North Carolina just elected a Dem Governor FakeNoose Nov 17 #51

Racism Cetacea Nov 17 #73

He doesn't address the question of citizens being able to oversee their own elections questionseverything Nov 16 #8

Michigan, controlled by Dems, prohibits hand counting of ballots Kaleva Nov 16 #10

the idea that 'hand counting' ballots is more accurate than by machine stopdiggin Nov 16 #19

It's about the transparency questionseverything Nov 17 #21

I'm not real sold on the 'transparancy' argument either stopdiggin Nov 17 #24

The obvious idea is that using 2 different processes to count the same numbers will expose discrepencies. Think. Again. Nov 17 #32

which is where hand count 'audits' come into play stopdiggin Nov 17 #57

Correct, discrepencies discovered during audits would then prompt full recounts to arrive at true results. Think. Again. Nov 17 #58

which is pretty much the system we have in place today ? stopdiggin Nov 17 #60

Except that "non-binding" audits would not necessarily lead to recounts if a candidate doesn't request that... Think. Again. Nov 17 #63

total recounts are arduous and expensive stopdiggin Nov 17 #67

Democracy is arduous and expensive? Think. Again. Nov 17 #70

how profound ! stopdiggin Nov 17 #75

Paper to spot check districts make sense... JT45242 Nov 17 #34

Arizona Republicans wanted to hand-count ballots. Then they saw the price tag -- and the errors. MichMan Nov 17 #43

It's a dumb assed idea. And it really ought to be put to bed. -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 17 #62

And? Cetacea Nov 17 #72

Why did shifts happen in deep blue states? Sympthsical Nov 16 #11

I've already rec'd money requests NJCher Nov 16 #14

That I get Sympthsical Nov 16 #15

if you think it's a matter of NJCher Nov 16 #17

Wisconsin is like 30,000 though, that's about 9 vote change per precinct questionseverything Nov 17 #23

This is a sweeping claim NJCher Nov 16 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Nov 17 #69

Because like I said earlier Blue_Tires Nov 17 #22

And why were shifts LARGER outside the swing states? FBaggins Nov 17 #29

Trump demanded Georgia keep recounting for TWO YEARS Blue_Tires Nov 17 #20

You don't just "ask" for a recount, you have to pay for it MichMan Nov 17 #44

What happened to that billion they raised in 90 days? Blue_Tires Nov 17 #56

I think they spent it all MichMan Nov 17 #59

No chance... Blue_Tires Nov 17 #61

What would be the logic in NOT spending it (and losing) ? MichMan Nov 17 #65

I don't know Blue_Tires Nov 17 #66

Well put and I would point out that moniss Nov 17 #36

If anyone believes psychics are real babsbunny Nov 17 #39

Why would anyone think Republicans are capable of cheating 🤔. Emile Nov 17 #42

It's very hard to accept the reality that half of the country Ocelot II Nov 17 #53

My take is that I wouldn't put it past them, but they are grossly incompetent & arrogant. CrispyQ Nov 17 #54

I think it happened even in red states remo ymor Nov 17 #55

Kamala would not concede if there was large scale cheating Joe_Gadway Nov 17 #64

She couldn't have known at that point. nt Cetacea Nov 17 #74

Her concession from 11/6 is still up on the campaign website. MichMan Nov 17 #80