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5. And here is yet another letter sent to Harris from cybersecurity experts...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 09:09 AM
Nov 16
(I removed the citations and footnotes for clarity, but all verification of claims can be found in the original document here: https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf)


The Honorable Kamala Harris
The White House
Office of the Vice President
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Vice President Harris,

We write to alert you to serious election security breaches that have
threatened the security and integrity of the 2024 elections, and to identify ways to
ensure that the will of the voters is reflected and that voters should have confidence
in the result. The most effective manner of doing so is through targeted recounts
requested by the candidate. In the light of the breaches we ask that you formally
request hand recounts in at least the states of Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin, and
Pennsylvania. We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those
states were actually compromised as a result of the security breaches, and we are
not suggesting that they were. But binding risk-limiting audits (RLAs) or hand
recounts should be routine for all elections, especially when the stakes are high and
the results are close. We believe that, under the current circumstances when
massive software breaches are known and documented, recounts are necessary and
appropriate to remove all potential doubt and to set an example for security best
practices in all elections.

In 2022, records, video camera footage, and deposition testimony produced
in a civil case in Georgia disclosed that its voting system, used statewide, had
been breached over multiple days by operatives hired by attorneys for Donald
Trump. The evidence showed that the operatives made copies of the software
that runs all of the equipment in Georgia, and certain other states, and shared it
with other Trump allies and operatives.

Subsequent court filings and public records requests revealed that the
breaches in Georgia were part of a larger effort to take copies of voting system
software from systems in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Colorado and Arizona, and
to share the software in the operatives’ network. According to testimony and
declarations by some of the technicians who have obtained copies of the
software, they have had access for more than three years to the software for the
central servers, tabulators, and highly restricted election databases of both Election Systems & Software (ES&S), and Dominion Voting Systems, the two largest
voting system vendors, constituting the most severe election security breach
publicly known.

Combined, their equipment counts nearly 70% of all votes nationwide.
Ninety-six percent of Arizona voters use Dominion and ES&S equipment; 100% of
Georgia voters vote on Dominion machines; 98% of Nevada votes on Dominion
voting machines and the remainder uses ES&S; 69% of Michigan voters’ ballots
are counted on Dominion or ES&S equipment; 89% of Pennsylvania voters ballots are counted on Dominion or ES&S equipment; ES&S counts 92% of North
Carolina ballots; and either ES&S or Dominion counts 97% of Wisconsin votes.

Possessing copies of the voting system software enables bad actors to install
it on electronic devices and to create their own working replicas of the voting
systems, probe them, and develop exploits. Skilled adversaries can decompile the
software to get a version of the source code, study it for vulnerabilities, and could
even develop malware designed to be installed with minimal physical access to the voting equipment by unskilled accomplices to manipulate the vote counts. Attacks could also be launched by compromising the vendors responsible for programming systems before elections, enabling large scale distribution of malware.

In December 2022 and again in 2023, many of us, concerned by the
security risks posed by these breaches, wrote to the Attorney General, FBI
Director, and Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director outlining the security concerns and urging an investigation. Though there have
been limited, localized investigations,14 there is no evidence of a federal
investigation to determine what was done with the misappropriated voting
software.

Other relevant parties have pointed to the serious risks posed by the
misappropriation of the voting software. Before it was known that partisan
operatives had taken the software, Dominion Voting Systems objected vehemently to providing its software to the same partisan actors who ultimately got copies through voting system breaches, stating that to give its software to biased actors would cause “irreparable damage” to the “election security interests of the
country.”

Before the breaches in Georgia had been confirmed, the Georgia Secretary
of State’s chief information officer testified that having copies of the software
would provide a “road map” to the ways the system could be accessed. The
Georgia Attorney General opposed providing copies of the software to lawyers for the Trump campaign in a late 2020 election challenge, arguing that images of the voting system software would provide “the keys to the software kingdom.”

Notably, U.S. elections are potentially resilient because there are paper
ballots recording the voters’ intent in most states, meaning that even if the voting
system is at risk, the will of the voters can be determined reliably by recounting the
paper ballots by hand (although we are aware that not all paper ballots are verified
by the voter, and not all states take adequate care to protect the ballot chain of
custody.)

Audits will be conducted in some of the most scrutinized states, but in key
states they will not be conducted in a timely way that could reveal any concerns
with the vote count. In addition, in most states the audits are insufficiently rigorous
to ensure any potential errors in tabulation will be caught and corrected, and they
cannot be considered a safeguard against the security breaches that have occurred.
Specifically, Georgia’s audits are non-binding, and Michigan, Nevada and
Wisconsin laws do not provide that the audit be conducted before certification.
Therefore, it would be impossible to know for these critical states if the audits
uncovered errors or miscalculations before the state deadlines to seek recounts.

Among swing states, only Arizona’s audit laws ensure that, if enough
discrepancies are identified, the audit hand count will be expanded to correct a
potentially incorrect result. In other words, aside from Arizona, in contested states,
there is no legal mechanism for the audit to correct the outcome, no matter how
much error the audit uncovers. Given these facts, the only guarantee for rigorous,
effective audits of the vote in the swing states will be through candidate-requested
statewide hand recounts.
(emphasis mine)

The facts around the voting system breaches are not disputed; it is well-
documented that there were severe, multiple voting security breaches before the 2024 election. To ensure that voters can have confidence that the breaches in
security did not taint the results of the 2024 election, we recommend pursuing hand
recounts in, at minimum, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania as they
will provide insufficient safeguards against threats posed by the breaches of the
election software and will not provide important information in a timely way.

Thank you for your time and consideration of this important matter.

Sincerely,

Duncan Buell Ph.D.
Chair Emeritus — NCR Chair in Computer Science and Engineering
Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering
University of South Carolina*
David Jefferson Ph.D.
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory* (retired)
Election Integrity Foundation*
Susan Greenhalgh
Senior Advisor for Election Security
Free Speech For People
Chris Klaus
Founder
Internet Security System*
William John Malik
Malik Consulting, LLC*
Peter G. Neumann Ph.D.
Chief Scientist,
SRI International Computer Science Lab*
John E. Savage
An Wang Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
Brown University*
*Affiliations are listed for identification purposes only and do not imply
institutional endorsement.
Should DU demand a recount? [View all] MadameButterfly Nov 16 OP
dont they compare the number of ballots to the final number of votes? Blues Heron Nov 16 #1
Yes Abnredleg Nov 16 #3
Most of those audits are non-bindibg on the final vote count. Think. Again. Nov 16 #8
Then what is the pointof an audit? MadameButterfly Nov 16 #11
Here is a map of which states hold their audits as binding on the outcome... Think. Again. Nov 16 #16
Non binding does not mean ignore Abnredleg Nov 16 #13
Actual information on binding audits can be found here: Think. Again. Nov 16 #17
The results are made pubic as part of the certification process Abnredleg Nov 16 #14
The rules and regulations, and processes, for audits vary from state to state... Think. Again. Nov 16 #19
thanks for the link... stillcool Nov 16 #20
Why do we have to dig out this information???? Farmer-Rick Nov 16 #29
I'd really like to see Marc Elias' take on all this, at the very least. Think. Again. Nov 16 #34
I just feel abandoned by Democratic leaders Farmer-Rick Nov 16 #50
I don't want random audits: I want full audits, and hand counts of all the ballots in the states that trump won. BComplex Nov 16 #21
I agree.. Think. Again. Nov 16 #36
I can't respond to how this would have been done MadameButterfly Nov 16 #10
Even if the Daily Kos article was bullshit, and maybe taken down from the site, or whatever, it still does not BComplex Nov 16 #22
The CISA does not support this conclusion osteopath6 Nov 16 #32
Please correct your title, the CISA has NOT made any statement about this conclusion. Think. Again. Nov 16 #56
Here is a working link to the original Daily Kos article... Think. Again. Nov 16 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 16 #2
Do we have that power? Surely there would be allies in other venues bucolic_frolic Nov 16 #4
We should use whatever power our voices DO have. Think. Again. Nov 16 #6
And here is yet another letter sent to Harris from cybersecurity experts... Think. Again. Nov 16 #5
Thanks Farmer-Rick Nov 16 #28
I'm trying to tell myself... Think. Again. Nov 16 #30
Scary if true osteopath6 Nov 16 #35
When was that statement made? Was it before the evidence we're discussing surfaced? Think. Again. Nov 16 #39
Because, if it were compromised, it would make them look bad asm128 Nov 16 #48
Thanks for posting this and the other letter in a separate OP MadameButterfly Nov 17 #70
Who would be paying for this,I wonder... Conjuay Nov 16 #7
The USA? Think. Again. Nov 16 #9
Who paid for Arizona nd 2x Georgia in 2020? MadameButterfly Nov 16 #18
Here is the article from substack... Think. Again. Nov 16 #12
K&R 2naSalit Nov 16 #15
YES times 1000 CommonHumanity Nov 16 #23
Marc Elias swears that this election was legit. He is not accounting for the very specific targets that BComplex Nov 16 #24
Do you have a link to the Elias statement? Think. Again. Nov 16 #40
Or the guy who has been doing the actual work dismisses the conspiracy EdmondDantes_ Nov 16 #46
We're supposed to prove fraud before MadameButterfly Nov 20 #72
I say yes Meowmee Nov 16 #25
Has Trump ever done anything in his life where he didn't cheat? kentuck Nov 16 #26
"Every accusation is a confession" GiqueCee Nov 16 #27
no not yet dotsconnect Nov 16 #31
Here's the Substack link to his Duty to Warn letter Native Nov 16 #33
thank you! nt orleans Nov 16 #45
Thank you for that link! BComplex Nov 21 #74
A party that gave us FAKE ELECTORS cheat? Emile Nov 16 #37
Only 29 states have laws binding their electors to vote according to the popular vote EX500rider Nov 16 #38
Yes, demand a recount would be my vote as a DU member since 2008. usaf-vet Nov 16 #41
I agree that we need to shift focus to LEGAL battles! FirstLight Nov 16 #42
The quoted "350,000" figure for North Carolina seems wrong muriel_volestrangler Nov 16 #43
And people can look up the numbers for themselves Sympthsical Nov 16 #47
The only reference I've seen was an estimate of 600,000 spread among the swing states. Think. Again. Nov 16 #61
Here's access to that website... Think. Again. Nov 16 #60
short and simple bdamomma Nov 16 #44
Yes nt Hope22 Nov 16 #49
how does du go about calling for a recount? nt orleans Nov 16 #51
I think it would have to be a letter writing MadameButterfly Nov 16 #58
i sent a link to that substack "duty to warn letter - to vp harris" orleans Nov 16 #67
Good. I'll send it and the other letter to some people MadameButterfly Nov 16 #68
I just wrote to Biden, and Harris for them to ask for recounts in the Swing States, and why. electric_blue68 Nov 16 #69
If it were Kamala who had received millions of 'Bullet Ballots' Mr.Bee Nov 16 #52
are we talking about millions of bullet ballots MadameButterfly Nov 16 #57
absolutely gopiscrap Nov 16 #53
I was finally able to retrieve a non-paywall link to the Daily Koz article... Think. Again. Nov 16 #54
Thanks! MadameButterfly Nov 16 #59
All I'm saying is this... Blue_Tires Nov 16 #62
Look at whatever Trump is accusing us of and that's what he is doing MadameButterfly Nov 16 #65
Nobody here can stop any other DUer from doing that Kaleva Nov 16 #63
The only reason to work together is there is power in numbers MadameButterfly Nov 16 #64
True but it just takes a few, or even one, to begin the process Kaleva Nov 16 #66
Absolutely BoRaGard Nov 17 #71
recount! JoeBydun Nov 20 #73
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