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UniqueUserName

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60. Okay, I'll bite.

Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:59 AM

Nov 16

Because Harris ran specifically on gender inequality and women's rights as a major issue, it is significant that women did not see that as a driving force determining their vote.

If Harris had not made that an issue on which she was running, then it would, as you say, be misogynistic to consider the voter's gender or sex in evaluating the decision between Trump or Harris.

We can't assume anything about the women who voted for Harris regarding misogyny. We can assume for white women voting for Trump that they either did not believe Trump to be a misogynist or that they valued White privilege over women's issues. I would argue that women who voted for Trump are both racists and misogynists.

White men voting for Trump are probably both racists and misogynists. But not necessarily. White men could have been voting for Trump merely because it was in their best interests and not have considered the repercussions for anyone else.

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45% of women voted for Trump. Yet, folks here are blaming men for Kamala's loss? [View all] PeaceWave Nov 15 OP

Lazy journalism using grossly oversimplified gender stats Fiendish Thingy Nov 15 #1

I took a Rutgers-Eagleton class on Woman & Politics and a solid 45% of women voted paternalistic since 1974. TheBlackAdder Nov 15 #12

Thank you for this response. It goes to what I'm getting at. How do we change this pattern? PeaceWave Nov 15 #14

It seems to be an immovable object. TheBlackAdder Nov 15 #17

And yet the data for subgroups of women shows otherwise Fiendish Thingy Nov 15 #34

45% is STILL a minority.. whathehell Nov 16 #89

Yes, but one that is offset by the larger gender bias men have towards women. TheBlackAdder Nov 16 #91

I read somewhere that Trump grabbed 55% of the male vote. taxi Nov 15 #2

Yes ... barely. AlanAdam Nov 16 #48

There is also the weird perception mr715 Nov 15 #3

Are we all on gender teams now? Ilikepurple Nov 15 #4

Really a lot of sexism in that article. travelingthrulife Nov 16 #65

The content of the op is simply the op's opinion, not the BBC writers'. spooky3 Nov 17 #116

Yes, how dare people blame men for Trump winning Wiz Imp Nov 15 #5

It's misogynistic to point out that fewer women voted for Kamala than men for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 15 #6

Are you serious? Wiz Imp Nov 15 #18

If by "this person" you are referring to me, I am not "twisting myself in knots" to do anything other than... PeaceWave Nov 15 #19

Why are you blaming women rather than focusing on this FACT? spooky3 Nov 15 #29

Okay, I'll bite. UniqueUserName Nov 16 #60

"they valued White privilege over women's issues" GreenEyedLefty Nov 17 #110

What? That statement is incorrect. yardwork Nov 16 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Nov 16 #54

Been a lot of that blaming shit going on lately... Wounded Bear Nov 15 #7

And yet, somehow, the candidate or the campaign team or the party elites and all of their decisions Seeking Serenity Nov 15 #8

I guess we don't want to win back any voters we lost to Trump SunImp Nov 15 #13

Come up with some meaningful strategies to do that and I'm right there with you... Wounded Bear Nov 15 #15

No, I'm saying the same thing SunImp Nov 15 #16

Run a middle-aged white straight protestant man Scrivener7 Nov 16 #82

Sadly, that's what we'll have to do. Thankfully, there are a few of them out there... Wounded Bear Nov 16 #92

Doesn't have to be white or Protestant GreenEyedLefty Nov 17 #111

I disagree. What we are seeing is contagious. Scrivener7 Nov 17 #112

I agree with this but my point was GreenEyedLefty Nov 17 #113

Definitely. Breaks my damn heart. Scrivener7 Nov 17 #114

I'd guess we do want to win back those voters.. whathehell Nov 16 #93

Yeah, but this is among the most moronic. Scrivener7 Nov 16 #80

Sickening and outdated stereotypes Walleye Nov 16 #90

If tRump is who men identify with...... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 15 #9

Again, 45% of women identified with Trump. My question is why? PeaceWave Nov 15 #10

Lack of self esteem perhaps? ProudMNDemocrat Nov 15 #11

misogyny is actually pretty prevalent with women Takket Nov 15 #21

Like all oppressed groups, women tend to internalize whathehell Nov 16 #55

Same as many of the factors associated with men's voting for him spooky3 Nov 15 #31

Their preachers told them to... Hope22 Nov 16 #51

very easy answer recovering_democrat Nov 16 #86

Oblivious to face-eating leopards perhaps? Zambero Nov 16 #87

Yes. I'm blaming men. Quiet Em Nov 15 #20

Because those guys are a holes. We get that. But, it's akin to... PeaceWave Nov 15 #22

Trump supporters and his campaign made it very clear that this was a movement against women Quiet Em Nov 15 #23

And, it doesn't deeply concern you that 45% of women STILL voted for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 15 #24

Of course I am. Quiet Em Nov 15 #25

Without discounting the existence of mental abuse that absolutely does exist... PeaceWave Nov 15 #28

No. It's not a reach. Quiet Em Nov 15 #30

An additional 2% of all the Men in every racial whathehell Nov 18 #121

I don't get how "out of fear" works, they can vote for whoever & tell hubby the voted for the orangutang, right? EX500rider Nov 16 #66

Never mind wryter2000 Nov 15 #26

Women shop at grocery stores more than men at140 Nov 15 #27

Every woman in my extended family is the primary shopper. All voted for Kamala. PeaceWave Nov 15 #33

Your extended family is not representative of all women at140 Nov 16 #35

My Mom is an immigrant from Guatemala. Feel free to tell me more about my family. PeaceWave Nov 16 #36

Who said all Guatemalans are poor? at140 Nov 16 #75

Mass deportations and insane tariffs have a zero percent chance of not increasing food prices TheKentuckian Nov 16 #69

Where did you read I was offering tariffs as a solution? at140 Nov 16 #78

That was the alternative so I don't see any room for excuses. TheKentuckian Nov 16 #84

As we're hauled off to the gulag we'll be seen screaming at each other, "It's your fault!!!" jalan48 Nov 15 #32

One thing I know for sure Meowmee Nov 16 #39

I don't care for the blame games either Quiet Em Nov 16 #41

What's hard to understand? DiamondShark Nov 16 #37

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency Quiet Em Nov 16 #38

This is what has been related to me by women both in their personal lives and in their corporate jobs. PeaceWave Nov 16 #44

Seriously? Quiet Em Nov 16 #47

Are you suggesting that female rivalry in the workplace isn't a thing? Or just ignoring it. PeaceWave Nov 16 #50

You need to make better female friends. yardwork Nov 16 #67

I'm straight, and I have found the same. Scrivener7 Nov 16 #83

I know! It's almost unbelievable. yardwork Nov 16 #88

It's a quote. DiamondShark Nov 16 #57

this is such bullshit. nt GenThePerservering Nov 16 #63

It's a quote from OP. DiamondShark Nov 16 #73

Have you ever heard of Internalized Misandry'? whathehell Nov 16 #76

I quoted OP and asked a question. DiamondShark Nov 17 #108

I replied to your question whathehell Nov 17 #109

It was sarcasm. I was +1 K&R PeaceWave's OP DiamondShark Nov 17 #115

Sure, whatever.. whathehell Nov 17 #119

Not my fault, your sarcasm detector is broken. DiamondShark Nov 18 #123

There's a lot of blame to go around. BannonsLiver Nov 16 #40

It's mostly White xtian voters who are a larger group than others JI7 Nov 16 #42

At the end of the day, the question is this... PeaceWave Nov 16 #43

The last Democrat to win a majority of the white vote (men and women)? Dem4life1970 Nov 16 #45

Why are you bringing up race? This thread is addressing gender voting issues. PeaceWave Nov 16 #46

Numbers within the numbers..... marmar Nov 16 #64

Just being real, as I said. Dem4life1970 Nov 16 #105

45% of WHITE women with little or no college education tenderfoot Nov 16 #49

Compared to 69% of White MEN with little to no whathehell Nov 16 #59

He certainly got the poorly educated WHITE vote tenderfoot Nov 16 #71

It would seem so, although he did, whathehell Nov 16 #74

Many American Women Love Трамп MrWowWow Nov 16 #52

More American Men than Women love Trump.. whathehell Nov 16 #58

92% of black women voted for Harris. ismnotwasm Nov 16 #53

75% of black men voted for Harris bigtree Nov 16 #68

Yup ismnotwasm Nov 16 #70

The most vocal trump supporters I've met have been women. nt RandiFan1290 Nov 16 #56

Because more men than women voted Trump Ndp5 Nov 16 #61

Okay, we get it....you want the Democratic party Bettie Nov 16 #72

white women, to be precise. And white men. CousinIT Nov 16 #77

Oh, FFS. Scrivener7 Nov 16 #79

Hate and social media and ignorance trumps. So many people voting for Trump LizBeth Nov 16 #81

They are not finished counting ballots Farmer-Rick Nov 16 #85

Math that up. AkFemDem Nov 16 #94

Also- I love my women friends AkFemDem Nov 16 #95

Can you believe this shit? Next they'll be saying we're upset because our wombs are moving around. Scrivener7 Nov 16 #97

Maybe the reasons women vote for Trump and the reasons men do are not the same. milestogo Nov 16 #96

Sorry, but this guy is explicitly blaming women for Trump's win Wiz Imp Nov 16 #98

Wrong. I'm asking folks to be accountable, rather than simply blame one demographic group. PeaceWave Nov 16 #100

Your quote is a rimshot. Sorry. nt GenThePerservering Nov 16 #102

I blame all the blociheads who didn't vote against Trump. Ping Tung Nov 16 #99

Anybody notice that there are a lot threads lately masquerading as "election analysis," but which are just Scrivener7 Nov 16 #101

Yes, the BBC thing confused me. I think it was to find the stats? Ilikepurple Nov 16 #106

Yes hmmm Meowmee Nov 18 #125

I blame everyone who didn't vote or voted for the Orange Abomination. LoisB Nov 16 #103

Last time I took math, back in the last millenium, 55 was more than 45. niyad Nov 16 #104

lol Meowmee Nov 18 #122

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency to tear each other do BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 16 #107

As compared to Biden, Harris lost more men, more minorities, younger voters, and low-income voters Ms. Toad Nov 17 #117

How can you be content that "women held steady" when the opponent was a rapist? PeaceWave Nov 17 #118

I didn't say I was content. I was responding to your assertion that women, not men, are to blame. Ms. Toad Nov 18 #124

Read my post again. Nowhere did I say that "women, not men, are to blame." PeaceWave Nov 18 #126

What I see is a man trying to shift blame away from himself and onto women Ms. Toad Nov 18 #128

We're at an impasse. You're willing to accept the status quo where "women hold steady." I am not. PeaceWave Nov 18 #129

You are the one who chose the group. Ms. Toad Nov 18 #130

Too much focus on abortion. confoosed Nov 17 #120

Women can be DemonGoddess Nov 18 #127