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Sympthsical

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4. Simple: Lost touch with the voters

Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:32 PM

Nov 14

Easy as that. And that can take a variety of forms. Whatever your bugaboo is can be a contributing cause. Racism, misogyny, minority resentment, Gaza protests, cost of living increases, Biden running/dropping out, etc. etc. etc.

When you see nationwide shifts of this nature, where blue areas show shifts similar to red areas, it's rarely one thing. It's usually a confluence of several different things, and each voter/region/cultural niche prioritizes differently.

I've said my bit (at great length) on all this. Just gotta talk to people and treat them as if they're actual people with their own thoughts and agency capable of making choices willfully. Not dumb, not tricked, not childish, not petulant. Just folks living their lives.

Obama knew this. Bill Clinton certainly knew this.

It just seems weird we have to keep relearning the simplest truth that should be obvious to anyone who's actually met people - not everyone thinks the way we do.

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WHY did we lose? [View all] BootinUp Nov 14 OP

The media sakabatou Nov 14 #1

This! FalloutShelter Nov 14 #7

Trump's win is still paying off for the media, his cabinet choices make good news content. dem4decades Nov 15 #51

I will NEVER forgive the media. BigDemVoter Nov 18 #118

I'd say the viral spread of misinformation. n/t femmedem Nov 14 #2

A huge factor but not directly in our control. nt BootinUp Nov 14 #3

So do nothing? MaineBlueBear Nov 15 #52

In todays media environment BootinUp Nov 15 #69

You didn't ask what could have been done differently. Susan Calvin Nov 15 #106

Simple: Lost touch with the voters Sympthsical Nov 14 #4

Sounds simple. BootinUp Nov 14 #6

I'm thinking of writing a short essay about it Sympthsical Nov 14 #20

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I need to consider them longer. nt BootinUp Nov 14 #31

I don't really disagree that we've lost touch with voters mountain grammy Nov 14 #33

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I was sick listening to this speech mountain grammy Nov 15 #64

It's about preserving the white anglo male, anti women and anti minorities power structure GoreWon2000 Nov 15 #76

Normalization by the MSM, endless unchallenged lies by RW media, the swamp of social media tools NewHendoLib Nov 14 #5

Yes, but NO answer to that problem is not acceptable. nt BootinUp Nov 14 #8

As it stands, we have no answer to this problem. It has taken decades and huge money NewHendoLib Nov 14 #9

If you think about it though, we have beaten these issues before. It was worse this time because: Pandemic. BootinUp Nov 14 #10

Harris should have run her own race 4th gen blue Nov 14 #11

RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT Skittles Nov 14 #13

Hardly relayerbob Nov 15 #105

MISINFORMATION Skittles Nov 14 #12

I did not see trans folk as a top exit poll answer. BootinUp Nov 14 #16

I HEAR IT CONSTANTLY FROM THE REPUKES AROUND ME Skittles Nov 14 #18

They weren't going to vote for Harris anyway Shrek Nov 15 #55

PLENTY Skittles Nov 15 #108

Bad voters, ignorant voters. Women hating going on. Trump evil. Trueblue1968 Nov 14 #14

The Dumbshit vote. The Repub dumbshits who were dazzled by "They're eating the cats".... albacore Nov 14 #26

Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 while Harris got 73 million votes in 2024 Kennah Nov 14 #15

I guess you don't like this thread. BootinUp Nov 14 #19

That number just blows my mind. How?? JanMichael Nov 14 #32

Biden stepping out so late DeepWinter Nov 15 #56

THIS. Dulcinea Nov 15 #91

We lost because the president had a 39% approval rating in exit polls. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 14 #17

I know. I trace it back to the economic pain from the pandemic mostly. nt BootinUp Nov 14 #21

That's it (fairly or not). Presidential candidates of the same party as the incumbent President, surfered Nov 14 #27

Trump's awfulness is what made it close. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 14 #29

+1 Shermann Nov 15 #54

Trump was at 34% toward the end of his first term Zambero Nov 15 #82

I've been trying to figure it out Tribetime Nov 14 #22

I like the fact that you are considering all angles. peace. nt BootinUp Nov 14 #24

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Pizza...Pizza here!! GP6971 Nov 14 #40

The Unicorn POOP was in Overload. Cha Nov 14 #44

Don't you ever tire of pizza?? GP6971 Nov 14 #41

Too Much Unicorn POOP. Cha Nov 14 #43

It's really a shame that they don't GP6971 Nov 14 #45

lol.. I saw that. Sounds Cha Nov 15 #48

Plus not enough time to campaign Polybius Nov 15 #73

We didn't get as many votes as the other guys. Iggo Nov 14 #23

I guess you don't like this thread, either. nt BootinUp Nov 14 #25

The underlying reason is quite simple. Aussie105 Nov 14 #28

You think he has 51% of the US population voting for a strong man? Nah. Maybe BootinUp Nov 14 #30

More like 22% of the US population. nt Shermann Nov 15 #59

I think it is obvious there is no one reason, imo anyway Meowmee Nov 14 #34

The vote counts was hacked Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #35

Putin and Musk Wicked Blue Nov 14 #36

When one company is beaten by a rival company, should they say it is the fault of the customers? Should they say Doodley Nov 14 #37

Media, Bettie Nov 14 #39

Because we failed to convince the majority of American voters we'd do a better job at what was important to them WarGamer Nov 14 #42

Of course, but there has to be more to the story. nt BootinUp Nov 15 #47

What was important to them ? kacekwl Nov 15 #66

We Didn't DET Nov 15 #46

51% of voting Americans get their information from propaganda and overt lying sources, including bots and trolls seeking hlthe2b Nov 15 #49

Right wing propaganda, misogyny, and the economy. Elessar Zappa Nov 15 #50

Social media too. Initech Nov 15 #72

I consider that under the "right wing propaganda" umbrella. Elessar Zappa Nov 15 #75

Well, if you watch Fox, they're back to acting like DC is their personal property again. Initech Nov 15 #79

1996 IRAIIRA Hippasus Nov 15 #53

I really do not think we did. LiberalArkie Nov 15 #57

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Religion. Mariana Nov 15 #61

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What does that have to do with my reply? Mariana Nov 15 #63

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Yes, 58% of Catholics voted for Trump. Mariana Nov 15 #93

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Your information is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. Mariana Nov 15 #95

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The topic of this thread is "WHY did we lose?" Mariana Nov 15 #97

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One big reason TFG came into power Mariana Nov 15 #101

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I don't believe you. Sounds like paranoid persecution complex bullshit thebigidea Nov 15 #113

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Agree - I think this is the sleeper reason that we haven't focused on TBF Nov 17 #114

The thing is, it's not a sleeper reason. Mariana Nov 17 #115

It's amazing to me how few will say the answer BootinUp Nov 15 #65

Citizens United crazylikafox Nov 15 #67

We're not ready to elect a woman Arazi Nov 15 #68

Shudda, coulda, woulda... My guess is that Biden should have not run but supported Harris giving her more time for CTyankee Nov 15 #70

One of the factors we're overlooking: Isreal / Palestine Initech Nov 15 #71

Yes, but a smaller factor than the economy, BootinUp Nov 15 #74

Two things TheFarseer Nov 15 #77

Lies from the Republican Propaganda Machine Emile Nov 15 #78

A different view LogDog75 Nov 15 #80

Inflation was halted, but prices really never came down much.. Omnipresent Nov 15 #81

And that is why I say pandemic. Just fyi BootinUp Nov 15 #83

Inflation was a result of the pandemic so... Omnipresent Nov 15 #84

Sexism and Racism TrunKated Nov 15 #85

This poll needs more options Babajida Nov 15 #86

Trump had a four year long, 24-7 media promotion. lees1975 Nov 15 #87

We lost bc of White voters. Yavin4 Nov 15 #88

I'm not gonna vote in this poll, but I saw a LOT of pushback regarding Harris' "selection". Hellbound Hellhound Nov 15 #89

Check your phone's spam folder. DiamondShark Nov 15 #90

That poll is a drastic oversimplification iemanja Nov 15 #98

The Right-wing media/billionaires/anti-women/lots and lots of lies. chouchou Nov 15 #100

Poor options. brush Nov 15 #102

Because we played the I_UndergroundPanther Nov 15 #103

4 - Too many ignorant assholes voting relayerbob Nov 15 #104

I passed, but it's not President Biden BunkieBandit Nov 15 #107

Too many fucking polls being paid outlandish attention. marble falls Nov 15 #109

Really??? BootinUp Nov 18 #117

Really. marble falls Nov 18 #119

There is a reason we don't see eye to eye, but I don't have a clue what it is. BootinUp Nov 18 #120

Says the guy who who responded, "Really??". marble falls Nov 18 #121

Yeah, but you don't get to tell me what to post. So I discarded that immediately, lol. BootinUp Nov 18 #122

And visa versa. marble falls Nov 18 #123

Lets do this again some time! BootinUp Nov 18 #124

Let's not. marble falls Nov 18 #125

Exactly, its your choice. Make it a good one. BootinUp Nov 18 #126

Why do we continue to not talk about the number one reason the massive massive misinformation campaign by Trump Russia oldmanlynn Nov 15 #112

Because voters in some states preferred trump over Harris. Enough of them to elect him. nt Autumn Nov 17 #116

The election was stolen and we let it happen. Irish_Dem Nov 18 #127

The pandemic.Voters either lost their damn minds or retreated into a daily life bubble. haele Nov 18 #128