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In reply to the discussion: The Democratic Party Needs to Demand a Recount [View all]reACTIONary
(6,008 posts)134. You and me both....
I will have to quote many a politician and say that I spoke "inartfully".
What I should have said was "you can't just hack anything". Let alone a decentralized and audited voting infrastructure that isn't even connected to the internet.
As noted upstream:
What theory could explain accidental or nefarious vote irregularities several times larger than those that warrant recounts in all of those blue counties (with blue elections boards)?? Different voting systems and ballot designs and democrats in control of the system... yet someone hacked the whole thing (and in a way that a recount would show it)?
There seems to be a popular impression that the proverbial teenager, wearing his "hacker hoodie" and a balaclava, hold up in his parents' basement can just "Change one line of code" in any system, anywhere, at any time, like a lame Hollywood plot device.
In reality, voting machines are not connected to the internet, and they are set up, operated, and audited under rigorous procedures to prevent hacking or compromise.
Since they are not connected to the internet, compromising them would have to be done through an elaborate "supply chain" attack. This would be something on the order of the Stuxnet attack on the Iranian nuclear weapons program, something that could only be done by a large state-sponsored effort. Stuxnet took two nation-states and an estimated five years to develop and deploy. It had one facility as a target. But in the case of the voting infrastructure you would have to do that ten times over, for ten different vendors. and would have to individually target over 3,000 facilities.
The chances of this having happened are non-zero, but only in the sense that there is a non-zero chance that an asteroid will hit the earth and wipe out all life sometime in the next ten minutes. But don't count on it.
See you in ten minutes!
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Most states require that proof of fraud or a mistake large enough to swing the race be provided.
TwilightZone
Nov 10
#2
So far Harris got more votes than Biden did in Wisconsin, Georgia, Virginia, and North Carolina
Galraedia
Nov 11
#130
One line of code to replace Harris with Trump and why so many down ballot split tickets? n/t
MartyTheGreek
Nov 10
#15
Heck, my state instituted a requirement to hand count ballots (pieces of paper, not tabulate vote) and
Silent Type
Nov 10
#28
They sure did. Most all red states enacted or doubled down on some form of voter suppression, purges, or...
Karasu
Nov 10
#32
The difference is that Trump's claims were investigated and presented to courts and
spooky3
Nov 10
#83
If indeed the software tabulation had been instructed to give every third D vote to R, then she would be down by many
fierywoman
Nov 10
#50
I hear Sidney Powell is available for hire, maybe she can spearhead the effort?
tritsofme
Nov 10
#37
Because there is no reason to stoke the fires of dumb Trump-style conspiracy theories?
tritsofme
Nov 10
#47
Losing without acting like crybaby toddlers, as Trump and crowd perfected four years ago, is not "rolling over"
tritsofme
Nov 10
#53
Not even the same thing as Republicans claimed there was fraud despite multiple recounts proving their wasn't
Galraedia
Nov 10
#54
Would multiple recounts satisfy people who are determined to believe a conspiracy theory? My guess is probably not.
tritsofme
Nov 10
#70
So why do you think the Harris campaign or DNC isn't doing this? Because they are dumb?
tritsofme
Nov 10
#77
I mean...the election is over. People can certainly choose to live in a fantasyland as Trump and his cult did
tritsofme
Nov 10
#85
Well, people here donated money to Jill Stein in 2016 to finance her recount, so maybe that is an avenue.
MichMan
Nov 10
#79
Please consider a separate OP on this ... this is the most glaring anomaly I have yet heard of. nt
eppur_se_muova
Nov 11
#125
Why did Texas, Florida and (I think) Missouri refuse to allow federal election observers oversee
fierywoman
Nov 10
#51
I agree. Trump made too much noise about a "rigged" election to leave this alone.
lees1975
Nov 10
#62
This thread hurts the effort to rebuild trust in American elections that was so damaged by Trump, et. al.
LAS14
Nov 10
#65
If the DNC or Harris was convinced the election was rigged don't most people here think they would mention it?
Fish700
Nov 11
#101
A recount is only held in close races or when there is clear evidence of fraud or irregularities.
Martin68
Nov 11
#118
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil in the world is that good men do nothing"
Mr.Bee
Nov 11
#119
Recount where of which race? OPost meaningless: image NOT found. Clear your cache if you don't believe me. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 11
#120