The Democratic Party Needs to Demand a Recount

[Galraedia]

I'm not saying republicans cheated but given that their last recounts found more votes for Joe Biden, their tendency to project, and people setting fire to ballot boxes and calling in bomb threats to democratic voting precincts I wouldn't say their above it either. This needs to be looked at.

[Easterncedar]

1. At least slow this steamroller down

[TwilightZone]

2. Most states require that proof of fraud or a mistake large enough to swing the race be provided.

If the campaign had proof, they would already be filing for recounts.

If Pavlovitz has proof, he should provide it to the campaign. My guess is that he has nothing.

It's also funny that he thinks we should do the same things that had zero success for Trump in 2020. Why should we expect a different outcome? The cases Trump filed were little more than nuisances.

[Meadowoak]

33. Well, they are cheaters, we are not. I want to see

Some recounts, just for peace of mind. Looks like Centre county PA came out quite a bit different after the recount.

[Galraedia]

130. So far Harris got more votes than Biden did in Wisconsin, Georgia, Virginia, and North Carolina

The increase of votes cast compared to 2020 in Pennsylvania is 40,508, Michigan is 74,784, and Wisconsin is 124,129.

The percentage that Harris lost by in Pennsylvania is 2.1%, Michigan is 1.4%, and Wisconsin is 0.9%

What's weird is that votes cast in Pennsylvania have gone up by 361,732 in 2016 and 799,881 in 2020. If that trend continues those votes should have gone up by more than 200,000, as they have in Pennsylvania for the last 28 years with the exception of 2012. However, there is only an increase of 40,508 votes cast compared to 2020. Pennsylvania had more voters register, with as many as over 100,000 registering in July alone, but it also has the lowest increase in votes cast since 2020 of any swing state. It seems that there are a significant number of votes missing.

[Blue Owl]

3. Reports like this deserve a second look

https://www.statecollege.com/articles/elections/centre-county-rescanning-13000-ballots-as-software-issue-delays-election-results/

This paragraph in particular is troubling:

Republican Donald Trump, who has already been declared winner of Pennsylvania and the presidency, was leading Democrat Kamala Harris in Centre County by about 2,700 votes on Wednesday morning, but Harris now has a lead here of 1,776 votes. Similarly, Republican U.S. Senate candidate Dave McCormick led Democratic incumbent Bob Casey by about 2,500 votes in Centre County on Wednesday morning, but Casey now holds a 1,855-vote edge.

[TwilightZone]

4. Interim or preliminary reports are irrelevant.

We should know by now that different areas report at different times and swings back and forth between the candidates are normal and expected until counting is completed.

The only numbers that matter are the final ones.

[Babajida]

6. This is after a recount though

Not an ongoing count.

[reACTIONary]

17. No, it was not after a recount...

In one county there was a delay due to a technical problem that prevented the mail in votes being added to the totals. It required the mail in votes to be rescanned. Since the votes never made it into the total in the first place, this was a count, not a recount.

This was a minor delay in one county. What's the big deal?

[Babajida]

60. The word 'rescan' sounds like a recount

Is that incorrect?

"Centre County Rescans 13,000 Ballots After Software Issue Delayed Election Results"

[reACTIONary]

89. In this case, the rescan was not a recount...

In this case, mail in ballots were scared with a different type of scanner than the in person ballots. When they tried to add the mail in scans to the in person counts, the mail in scans would not work. They had to adjust the mail in scanners to be comparable with the in person scans and then rescan the mail in ballots to get them added to the in person results.

So it was not a "recount" because they could not be counted using the first scan.

But you are right, without that context, a "rescan" might be a "recount". It just wasn't in this case.

[Zeitghost]

16. A late swing of a few thousand votes in a single county

Is not evidence of anything. They didn't call the race in PA and stop counting, they called it when it was mathematically impossible for the overall outcome to change, even if every uncounted vote went to Harris. And then they keep counting until the end.

[azureblue]

5. Trump cheated again

just like he cheated on his previous elections. The vote count is way off - down some 10 million from 2020, despite the long lines and huge rallies. One thing, besides lying that you can rely on Trump to do, is to project - if he accuses someone of something, you can bet he had already done it. And you notice as soon as the election was over, he dropped the "Cheating" meme and got really quiet. He had been hinting for months he had something secret in the works, and did - he, after 3 election's worth of attacking the process, figured out how to change the vote count.

Biden needs to hold off the transition until the vote count has been verified, and the machines examined for hacking - which what I think happened.

Some strange statements from Trump and Elon have fueled doubts about election integrity.
"You can just change one line", Elon stated about the code on electronic voting machines.
"I don't need more votes, I already have votes," Trump stated repeatedly.
So why not take a look?

[Dem4life1234]

8. And he told his brains dead supporters they would never have to vote again.

These cretins can't win fairly so they resort to cheating.

[MartyTheGreek]

15. One line of code to replace Harris with Trump and why so many down ballot split tickets? n/t

[reACTIONary]

20. Strange comments from Elon and Trump? Wow! That never happened before!

It must mean something. The stranger, the more meaningful.

[Mr.Bee]

27. Thank you

I've been saying this for days, now. Not conspiracy, we must question when things are off my 12-18 million, warrants an investigation!

[BattleRow]

7. I got an issue with Harris conceding so quickly.

[Mr.Bill]

12. A concession by a losing candidate

is not legally binding.

[BattleRow]

19. Veddy interesting!

[reACTIONary]

22. Harris, like most of us Dems...

... is a reality based person. Myself, I've got no issues with that.

[Farmer-Rick]

55. Yup, as soon as she conceded

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She gave up her standing in court. Any good lawyer should have told her that. Did you see how long Biden waited? Trump declared victory on the first day.

[BattleRow]

58. Just shaking my head...

[intheflow]

92. Wait. Isn't she a lawyer?

More specifically, isn’t she a good lawyer?

[Farmer-Rick]

94. Yeah, she is

So, it's very strange that she didn't even wait as long as Biden did to make a decision on the results.

But Gore was a savvy politician who also conceded too soon.

[Dem4life1970]

99. Al Gore rescinded his concession and went to court didn't he?

[Farmer-Rick]

100. Yeah, you are right

And the Florida Supreme Court and the Federal Supreme Court didn't really use that against him. Though I think W's side brought it up, and of course the corporate media.

I suppose you can rescind your concession. But it sure takes the wind out of your supporters.

[SCantiGOP]

106. Conceding does not remove any right to challenge later

Gore conceded in 2000, then withdrew the concession.

[Farmer-Rick]

113. Yeah the poster above said that

I guess I got that from the corporate media. W and the media touted that as a reason he could not counter sue........or was it Kerry?

Anyway, if a Dem does it it's bad but if a dictator Trump lover does it it's okay.

[Clouds Passing]

82. To avert violence, while they resolve the count.

Doesn't mean she can’t unconcede.

[JoeBydun]

9. tRump Cheated!!

Why should we just transfer power over to fascism? We demand a recount!!

[SCantiGOP]

108. It's not even close

You think multiple states, run by Democrats, allowed this to happen?
That is exactly as ridiculous as Trump’s 2020
claims.

[KPN]

10. I agree 100%. This is no time to take the high road once again.

If there’s one thing the Rs depend on, it’s that we Dems fall in line on the high road . We wear it as a badge of honor. Meanwhile, they use it to Machiavelli the fuck out of us.

We should not put an ounce of trust in the notion that they would not do exactly to us what they falsely said we did to them in 2020. There’s a conspicuously great reason why we call them projectionists routinely.

[whathehell]

30. +1000

[keepthemhonestO]

68. Exactly

I'm tired of this diplomacy shit, we are not going to roll over and take it

[Botany]

11. The #s just don't add up. The election was dirty.

Get after it like an attack dog.

[MartyTheGreek]

13. Something is Fishy about the Split Ticket Votes!

The call was for everyone to vote Blue down the ballot! What percentage of women voted for DJT?

[MontanaMama]

102. The split ticket votes AND

apparently over 300 thousand votes were cast for President ONLY in NC?

[hotellanai1986]

14. What Is Actually Needed Is A

Deep Forensic Audit (layman's terms).

I fear the extra votes proving malfeasance have been deleted. So there is nothing to count. A deep technical audit (something that our agencies and Five Eyes can do and have done many times before now) would reveal quite a bit. It doesn't take a lot of time but it would need to be done. Who knows? Maybe someone has thought of this... I still say the fat lady has not started warming up her voice yet.

[Quakerfriend]

56. Yes, code leaves a forensic trail. What I find

odd is that everything is quiet- seems that they must be investigating it.

[keepthemhonestO]

72. I hope you're right

They better be doing something, they have to know this stuff. It's the highest office in the land and really the world, so much incentive to cheat.

[Botany]

18. It was dirty.

Get after it like an attack dog.

I have seen stories that Trump got the majority of the Native American vote. …. R you kidding me?
Joe Biden did more for the Native Peoples than just about any non Native American in history.

Btw please check me as per the Trump vote in 24 and Native Americans

[dlk]

21. Given Republican history and Putin's involvement

We would be foolishly naive not to.

Are we really ready to live in a country with Elon Musk as a shadow president?

[Silent Type]

23. Ain't gonna help.

[proud patriot]

26. no but

like an autospsy we can learn from it .

I'm all for recounts .

[Silent Type]

28. Heck, my state instituted a requirement to hand count ballots (pieces of paper, not tabulate vote) and

people had a fit.

Admittedly, ruling was by a majority GOPer election board and late in game. But it would have added another check on accuracy.

We lost. 50 recounts won’t change that. Wish it would.

[Meadowoak]

35. We don't know that

[Silent Type]

36. How many recounts do you think are necessary? We aren't going to win.

[Meadowoak]

38. At. Least one. Just to compare

[BlueHurricane]

24. The thing I keep thinking of is how much Putin...

Had to have Trump win this. He can’t last going after Ukraine, he’s already getting help from North Korea. In Russia they have “elections” where of course no one but Putin will win. It’s not like they don’t have experience faking elections and we know Trump and Putin appear to be on the same side.
I see no reason why a recount where it is close and in the swing states couldn’t be completed to confirm the numbers given the environment we are in nowadays with election interference. Also didn’t repubs have a whole training program on inserting people into polling locations? Besides all the voter suppression some states rolled out.

[Karasu]

32. They sure did. Most all red states enacted or doubled down on some form of voter suppression, purges, or...

..even formed voting oversight committees (of highly dubious constitutionality) in preparation for this election. Outside of whining about Biden, this was the GOP's main focus every single day for the last 4 years.

[Zeitghost]

61. We lost more ground in blue states than we did red.

California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Illinois and Maryland all had 8%-11% swings towards Trump.

[oldmanlynn]

91. This is puzzling. There wasnt any increase of his bade

Surely all the nasty things that he said on stage that terrible performance at the debate all of these things that he’s done in the last several months can’t have enamored him to other voters. I can see why we would see a swing like that in a blue state.

[bagimin]

25. Recommended

[Cirsium]

29. Projection

For years Trump and others have relentlessly claimed that the elections are rigged.

Every accusation from them over that stretch have been more like confessions. It's pretty clever to constantly accuse your opponent of doing the things that you yourself are actually doing.

I thought that the "rigged elections" drumbeat was cover, a way for them to make it more difficult for people to suspect them of rigging elections.

[FBaggins]

31. On what theory???

Trump won PA by a little over 2% - and the vote didn't shift in just one or two counties. In many cases, it swung significantly in blue counties. And PA actually swung red less than almost any state in the country.

What theory could explain accidental or nefarious vote irregularities several times larger than those that warrant recounts in all of those blue counties (with blue elections boards)?? Different voting systems and ballot designs and democrats in control of the system... yet someone hacked the whole thing (and in a way that a recount would show it)?

And all while somehow shifting the rest of the county much farther to the right?

This simply isn't logical. It's time to move on from denial

[dweller]

57. Here's the shifts

✌🏻

[FBaggins]

69. Yes - which rules out any need for recounts

We would have to shift MI/PA/WI - and what theory could explain incorrect counts across dozens of counties that were not controlled in any way by republicans? If it were a 500 vote change in one county you could speculate that someone stuffed the ballot box in that county. But we're supposed to believe that they were able to change the vote in counties they don't control and then went on to make much larger shifts all around the country?

[Botany]

88. Those #s and the arrow graphs just scream something was happening.

Or am I nutz? 36 out of 50 states shifted to Trump from 1.2 % to 9.8%?

[reACTIONary]

90. Yes, they scream something was happening....

... They are screaming that we lost. As stated above "It is time to move on from denial."

[Cetacea]

115. I'll move on when I find out...

who, where, and above all, if and why Starlink was involved in the election.

[reACTIONary]

117. Let me suggest...

.... Don't overlook the thermostats and microwaves also. You never know.

[Mr.Bee]

123. I.T. folks,

when you're in I.T. in every swing state, you can hack anything. And Trump had some pretty heavy tech bros. pulling for him..

[reACTIONary]

129. As an IT folk, I can tell you that you are wrong....

... you can't hack anything, let alone a decentralized and audited voting infrastructure that isn't even connected to the internet.

When you come up with some concrete facts, as opposed to free floating anxiety coupled with conspiratorial fear, uncertainty and doubt, let us know.

[Mr.Bee]

133. Literally the first time

I've ever heard that - 'you can't hack anything' - from any IT person.

[reACTIONary]

134. You and me both....

I will have to quote many a politician and say that I spoke "inartfully".

What I should have said was "you can't just hack anything". Let alone a decentralized and audited voting infrastructure that isn't even connected to the internet.

As noted upstream:

What theory could explain accidental or nefarious vote irregularities several times larger than those that warrant recounts in all of those blue counties (with blue elections boards)?? Different voting systems and ballot designs and democrats in control of the system... yet someone hacked the whole thing (and in a way that a recount would show it)?

There seems to be a popular impression that the proverbial teenager, wearing his "hacker hoodie" and a balaclava, hold up in his parents' basement can just "Change one line of code" in any system, anywhere, at any time, like a lame Hollywood plot device.

In reality, voting machines are not connected to the internet, and they are set up, operated, and audited under rigorous procedures to prevent hacking or compromise.

Since they are not connected to the internet, compromising them would have to be done through an elaborate "supply chain" attack. This would be something on the order of the Stuxnet attack on the Iranian nuclear weapons program, something that could only be done by a large state-sponsored effort. Stuxnet took two nation-states and an estimated five years to develop and deploy. It had one facility as a target. But in the case of the voting infrastructure you would have to do that ten times over, for ten different vendors. and would have to individually target over 3,000 facilities.

The chances of this having happened are non-zero, but only in the sense that there is a non-zero chance that an asteroid will hit the earth and wipe out all life sometime in the next ten minutes. But don't count on it.

See you in ten minutes!

[Mr.Bee]

135. Been there, done that...

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I also did not mention anything about hacker hoodies or the internet. If it's electronic it can be hacked.

[reACTIONary]

136. Yep, and...

... that giant asteroid CAN slam into the earth. In the next ten minutes.

Don't look up.

[DeepWinter]

97. Yep

It's difficult to look in the mirror. We want to deny and not believe. But there just might be a chance that what we're selling, no longer is something being bought. or at least the message as it's being heard and understood isn't being bought.

[keepthemhonestO]

105. Exactly

I wish Truthisall was still here, he would be putting out the probabilities and explaining why trump didn't win.

This to me shows how much they cheated by! Ahhhhh

[Self Esteem]

34. Do you know how much Harris trails in these states?

You might want to look into it. The recount you're talking about, like the one Wisconsin, netted Biden all of 87 votes.

I don't know if you've actually looked at the results but Harris isn't trailing in any swing state by 87 votes lol

Harris is down 31,000 votes in WI, 77,000 votes in MI and 145,000 votes in PA.

You can recount between now and the end of times and they're not going to find that many votes.

[Silent Type]

39. +1. Thank gawd Harris isn't calling states asking to find 31,000 votes, etc.

[Liberal In Texas]

43. You won't know unless you look. n/t

[Self Esteem]

44. Wasting resources on a recount is stupid at this point.

[Liberal In Texas]

48. Your entitled to your blind acceptance.

If something is found it's not wasted. And you don't know one way or the other.

They've been telling us for years the election was going to be rigged. Believe them.

[Self Esteem]

49. Do you think Biden stole it in 2020?

Because your arguments sound eerily similar to what Trump and his supporters have been saying about the 2020 election.

[spooky3]

83. The difference is that Trump's claims were investigated and presented to courts and

to the public, via multiple media.

I think it's as inappropriate to quickly shut down any questions people may have about the election processes as it is to continue to promote allegations well after after they have been investigated and shown to have no merit.

I think we should not be ridiculing reasonable questions at this stage on DU. I have no problem with people now raising questions given how surprising the results were. It hasn't even been 5 days since the election was called for Trump, and there are still votes coming in.

[Liberal In Texas]

87. No. And that has nothing to do with this election.

As you will recall, they got some recounts. So, by your logic since they got some recounts, we shouldn't entertain doing any for this election because it would be "eerily similar."

Did you miss the part where I said if there is nothing, so be it?

Apparently.

[keepthemhonestO]

107. We

We used to have a little group here, maybe we need to ask the admins for an Election fraud group and I think there was an election integrity ( or lack there of)

Also I would love to see Truthisall back here explaining why the numbers don't make sense.

[fierywoman]

50. If indeed the software tabulation had been instructed to give every third D vote to R, then she would be down by many

tens of thousands.

[questionseverything]

122. In Wisconsin it's about ten votes per precinct

[tritsofme]

37. I hear Sidney Powell is available for hire, maybe she can spearhead the effort?

[DiverDave]

40. It'll never happen

1. Democratic leadership is SPINELESS.
2. The courts would never let it happen.

[BoRaGard]

41. Yes

[Liberal In Texas]

42. Recounts/Audits on all the swing states. Then

add one blue state and one solid red state. If nothing is found, so be it. No harm done. Just wasted some money. And it will affirm to anybody who thinks they rigged the databases that the weren't tampered with.

If there are suspicious anomalies it should become apparent doing this.

And frankly, I think they'll find the smoking gun on this one.

[SnoopDog]

45. Why are the Dems NOT asking for recounts?

Or is the Dem Party leadership just rolling over and letting our country die?

[tritsofme]

47. Because there is no reason to stoke the fires of dumb Trump-style conspiracy theories?

[SnoopDog]

52. So, just roll over? Republicans never cheat? Never gerrymander?

The repubs had 4 years to figure out how to steal the election. Recounts ARE allowed. Period. At least the Dem Party leadership could show that they are trying…

[tritsofme]

53. Losing without acting like crybaby toddlers, as Trump and crowd perfected four years ago, is not "rolling over"

If there is a bonafide reason for a recount in a close race, go for it. Most of these states aren’t that close.

[Galraedia]

54. Not even the same thing as Republicans claimed there was fraud despite multiple recounts proving their wasn't

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Their own recounts even found more votes for Joe Biden. Given the fact that they were desperate enough to set fire to ballot boxes and call in bomb threats, I also wouldn't put it pass them.

[tritsofme]

70. Would multiple recounts satisfy people who are determined to believe a conspiracy theory? My guess is probably not.

[MichMan]

73. Recounts aren't "free", they require the requester to pay for them

[SnoopDog]

74. Yes we all know that...

The Dem Leadership could easily ask fellow Dems for donations for a recount. And, did they spend every last penny?

I know if they asked, we would come thru..

[tritsofme]

77. So why do you think the Harris campaign or DNC isn't doing this? Because they are dumb?

Because random internet people have more insight than they do?

It’s because there is zero evidence of anything but them losing, and unlike Republicans we do not humor and embrace baseless conspiracy theories and waste money pursuing them.

[SnoopDog]

84. Yes you are right. We should all just give up...

Right?

At least I am in favor of fighting till the end... and note that quitters never win...

[tritsofme]

85. I mean...the election is over. People can certainly choose to live in a fantasyland as Trump and his cult did

four years ago, I mean that is a choice.

[SnoopDog]

86. Are you in Dem Leadership by chance?

[MichMan]

79. Well, people here donated money to Jill Stein in 2016 to finance her recount, so maybe that is an avenue.

Of course, she ended up pocketing a substantial portion of it.

[stillcool]

75. Maybe because of election laws?

each state has their own.

[Metaphorical]

46. Something to keep in mind

If you take a look at ALL of the races outside the presidency, what you see is that almost NOTHING changed.

The Democrats gained seats in the House, just not enough to retake it. (We may be looking at 218-217).
The Democrats lost a couple of seats in the Senate that we were expecting to lose, when we were defending 28 seats and the Republicans were defending 10 (Note this flips in 2026).
No gubernatorial races changed parties (we might actually pick up one that's still being counted).
There was no significant change in the number of state assembly to any party, house or senate, ANYWHERE in the US.

In other words, for such a major change at the top, this race was about as uneventful as it could be.

I think we need to remember this. There was no mandate here for Trump. The Red States voted Red, the Blue States voted blue, the Purple States just EKED into Red Territory, but not by much. Trump actually picked up almost exactly the same number of votes that he did in 2020. Democrats mysteriously did not vote. Why? Harris was popular, well liked, a lot of people were engaged. Nobody likes Trump. Even people who voted for him don't like him.

I'm not going to get into conspiracy theory territory. I don't have an answer that makes any sense, and while there's a lot of armchair quarterback analysis going on right now, the reality is that those people who were fired up just never voted. Huh?

[eppur_se_muova]

125. Please consider a separate OP on this ... this is the most glaring anomaly I have yet heard of. nt

[fierywoman]

51. Why did Texas, Florida and (I think) Missouri refuse to allow federal election observers oversee

their operations?

[azureblue]

59. Qeustion: Did any states upload their vote data through Starlink?

There are strong rumors going around that many of the states used the Starlink system to collect the counties vote count.
Elon made a comment about "Change one line of code", the he a Tucker laughed about it, like it is an inside joke. And note that Trump ahs said the already had the vote, way before the elections. Which means he knew a cheat system was already in place. Which is why Don and Elon and been acting like two school boys with a secret they can barely keep. Leon figured how to access the uploaded data and change it.

Now it appears that TX did used Starlink, but in now doing a telephone transfer system, then re- counting the votes. As some one pointed out, the Uvalde, TX area, which has always been blue, suddenly turned red..

Again, Biden has the power to halt the transition until the election has been verified.

[keepthemhonestO]

112. Exactly

We need to investigate all these claims, Jesus it's our democracy
Why did Elon know supposed results 4 hours before everyone else?

[Cetacea]

114. Looking into that

I did see a video of a polling official praising Starlink for making the lines go faster.

Why and how was Starlink involved in the election?

[lees1975]

62. I agree. Trump made too much noise about a "rigged" election to leave this alone.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. I know that every ballot count and box are supposed to be watched, but it would be worth checking to see in some deep red counties where they seemed to get just enough votes to overcome what they expected in blue areas.

And yes, there seem to be an inordinate amount of split tickets.

Worth checking into. You know if it had gone the other way cheato would be screaming.

[Blue Owl]

103. And then when he immediately shut his fat mouth once he was ahead

Is even more telling that something dishonest was going on.

[oldtime dfl_er]

63. also this

Pam Keith on X:

Pam Keith, Esq- An under vote, is a ballot that has a vote for POTUS but the rest of the ballot is blank.
Trump’s margin in EVERY swing state appears to be based entirely on under votes.
That’s not just weird, it’s utterly implausible.

[Metaphorical]

81. This to me is one reason why the physical ballots SHOULD be audited.

You don't necessarily need to do all of the ballots, just spot checking of enough ballots to ensure that what was submitted was what was actually filled out.

[littlemissmartypants]

64. VP Harris needed...

to do better and than Biden and Trump to win but the unaffiliated who we needed didn't vote for her and all the other Democrats we needed who voted for Biden stayed home.

As hard as we worked, as extensive as out ground game was, as much money as we donated and spent...it still wasn't enough to bring out our fellow Democrats who voted for President Biden and have them vote for Kamala. Our own peeps left us high and dry.

The numbers in question:
2020 JB 81,283,501
2024 KH 70,858,691
Difference: 10,424,810

❤️
Off Topic:
Just curious...what was the image that now says

postimage
free image hosting
image not found
or was removed

inside a blue box??

[LAS14]

65. This thread hurts the effort to rebuild trust in American elections that was so damaged by Trump, et. al.

If the Harris/Walz campaign and the DNC and virtually all of our respected leaders are not calling for it, we should not be impugning the integrity of the thousands of election officials and volunteers that enabled us to hold our election.

Let's thank them instead.

[bikes and bunnies]

67. Malarky!!!

"Fighting back when they cheat and steal makes us look like sore losers."

WRONG! It would make Democrats look like they mean what they say:
That they "will fight for us."

No, they won't. They won't fight for us. It would be too "unseemly."

Damn it!
No more donations or post card writing from me, until Dems show some spine.
(I still regret giving Kerry $50, when he folded like a folding chair when Ohio was stolen.)

[stillcool]

76. do election laws come into play at all?

how many lawsuits did Trump file in 2020? How many got thrown out? Is that what you like?

[bikes and bunnies]

66. I agree 1000%

I'm tired of Democrats conceding quickly, because "it would be unseemly and ungracious" to contest stolen elections.
2000, 2004, 2016, and now 2024.
The naysayers say "where's the evidence?" And scoff at requests for a recount.
That's like the police saying "Bob died of natural causes," and then refusing to do an autopsy.
What happened to The Prosecutor vs The Felon?
She conceded before even doing an investigation- i.e. requesting a recount in certain counties where they were warned the tabulators would be flipped.
Damn it!

[58Sunliner]

71. Yes!!!!!!!!

[sabbat hunter]

78. There are not

13 million missing votes for Harris. I hate to say it, but she lost. We need to stop with republicanesque conspiracy theories. We need to figure out how to get back the people who stayed home to come out and vote D in 2026, 2028 and beyond. We need to figure out what we are doing wrong, and fix it.

[Fish700]

101. If the DNC or Harris was convinced the election was rigged don't most people here think they would mention it?

If nobody in the US thinks we have free and fair elections it is all over anyway.

[sabbat hunter]

80. Bernie is right.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4982862-bernie-sanders-working-class-angry/

[lastlib]

93. I would be interested to see how House votes....

nationwide by state line up with Presidential votes. Do the total presidential votes in each state line up with the total House votes? Especially interested in the "swing" states. I'd try it if I had the data. Would a large discrepancy be evidence of fraud?

[Six117]

95. Yes -and an investigation

US Intel Says Insider Threats Are 'Likely' During the Election | WIRED
https://www.wired.com/story/insider-threats-election/

snip

This stark warning was rolled into a situational awareness bulletin on the broader threat landscape faced by election centers heading into the 2024 election. It was published this month by Colorado Information Analysis Center (CIAC), Colorado’s counterterrorism center, which compiles intelligence from federal, state, and local agencies into threat reports shared with its law enforcement partners. This warning comes as election deniers across the US have assumed positions at all levels of the electoral system.

“The entire threat picture is elevated for this election,” Colorado’s Division of Homeland Security and Emergencies Management director Kevin Klein tells WIRED. “I think it’s fair to say that insider threats are a greater concern than in previous elections.”

“Due to the nature of the United States election process, many people are involved in administering or carrying out responsibilities that support elections, all of whom have a potential to be an insider threat,” states the bulletin, which was first obtained by Property of the People, a nonprofit focused on transparency and national security.

[Mr.Bee]

96. Republicans would stop at nothing

If it were them and you know it!
FoxNewsMax would be hounding on this 24/7.

Democrats need to be investigating to put these questions to rest.
Our grandchildren will be asking us 'why didn't you do something?'
We will say, "I didn't want republicanesque conspiracy theories."

[orleans]

98. "image not found or was removed" -- what was the photo? nt

[SCantiGOP]

104. Parties don't trigger recounts

Candidates do.

[CrispyQ]

109. I've stayed away from the stolen election threads for the most part, because,

there is no proof, & the dems aren't going to do anything about it if there were.

Harris isn't. Elias isn't. So either they're convinced it really was a razor close race & Trump won, or they're not going to go public with their suspicions. Also...President Biden isn't going to use his SCOTUS pre-approved powers to save our democracy. IMO, all the good he's done over that last fifty plus years of public service will be forgotten. He'll be remembered as the president who had the power to stop the fall but because he was committed to an old play book, he peacefully transferred our democracy to a tyrant.

[epreic01]

110. I'm not one for conspiracy theories

I think the likelihood of changing the outcome is very small… but I do think something seems weird.
1.) I’ve correctly predicted every election of my lifetime. It’s possible that with the way people consume media has changed so much that they didn’t watch the debates or rallies or news… but it just seemed like she had all the energy and momentum and that usually translates into a win it almost a win.
2.) I don’t know a single person in my life that changed their vote or decided not to vote from 2020 to 2024. Again, I’m not saying that’s scientific, but that’s kind of how I’ve always guessed. My family is mostly swing voters. And who the swing voters in my family go for is usually who the winner is. They all went for Kamala. So it’s just interesting that my Kentucky family went left of the electorate in the swing states.

[nilram]

111. And an audit

How the votes were sent, the software on the voting machines, on any tabulator, etc

[Ligyron]

116. I'm in red Florida and even here this doesn't add up.

Too many people even here in MAGA land said they were holding their nose and voting for Harris and absolutely had enough of Trump and his 24/7 chaos. Even the people in his own Administration warned everybody what a tyrant he was and what a disaster a second Trump presidency would be.

Trump, who actually said he was going to free the terrorists that attacked police officers? Even they weren't okay with this and while I'm sure he won this state I don't see how so many people failed to vote in what was described by both sides as "the most consequential election of our lifetime". Or they voted for Democratic senators but then not for Kamala as President?

I may be wrong on this but even if I am, surely the Democrats could find enough spine to challenge this instead of just rolling over. I was going to say something else but didn't as it would most likely be alerted on.

[Martin68]

118. A recount is only held in close races or when there is clear evidence of fraud or irregularities.

[Mr.Bee]

119. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil in the world is that good men do nothing"

'evil prospers when good people say nothing'

[Bernardo de La Paz]

120. Recount where of which race? OPost meaningless: image NOT found. Clear your cache if you don't believe me. . . nt

[Owens]

121. They are too spineless

Trump demanded and got recounts in 2020, but Democrats "don't want to rock the boat". If they did cheat, they will continue to do it in all the future elections (think Putin style) and we will have no more fair and free elections.

[SoCalDavidS]

126. Yeah, Tell Me My Vote Matters

Perhaps they don't want us to know the truth, because then we'd wake up to the fact that it doesn't.

Instead, I'll tell them, maybe I'll vote next time, maybe I won't. But I'm beginning to believe it's kind of pointless, and if the vote was legitimate, this is the direction America wants to go.

[Mr.Bee]

124. All this 'just accept it and move on'

don't question, only conspiracy theorists and republicans are allowed to question.
Bury your heads in the sands of tradition and welcome the transition team.

[bdamomma]

127. I think

they should. Really.

It's criminal if they do not. And we are dealing with CRIMINALS.

[stillcool]

128. The Democratic Party has nothing to do with asking for a recount

the candidates do. Not that it matters what I think , but my imagination suggests there is more to this story than state governments tampering with votes, and involves foreign actors. Ducks need to get lined up before word one is whispered. We've been reading about how our cyber-security is not up to the level of other countries. But, whatever...

[Mr.Bee]

131. You think Information Technology can't be used to do this?

You think Information Technology can't be used against the American people?
You think your Social Media Information can't be Technologically used against you?
You think I.T. can't influence an election? Manipulate votes?
You think I.T. isn't watching everything you type and do online?
How were they able to send P.O.C. racist text messages?
And you don't think it's possible?
Be. Less. Stupid.

[Mr.Bee]

132. Why the Democratic Party MUST Demand a Recount w/ Dean Obeidallah

Thom Hartmann: