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AmBlue

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117. I stand corrected

Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:29 PM

Nov 11

I am in Florida and I don't believe we have them here. I did a search and found the following describing the recount and audit rules for the 7 swing states:
https://www.scribd.com/document/787478866/Audits-and-Recounts-in-Seven-2024-Swing-States?secret_password=81PFi4uPyV7ol81fw7w9

I'm actually really relieved to see that so many states are adopting post-election audits as part of their processes. I don't think many folks out there know this.
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I'm surprised at how little discussion there is questioning the results. [View all] garybeck Nov 11 OP

We are supposed to believe that ruthless, vicious, desperate psychopaths followed the rules and laws. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #1

All of this! Dem4life1234 Nov 11 #6

It is basic psych profiling and crime scene analysis. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #13

Hear, here (is that right?) LSparkle Nov 11 #27

They'll "memory hole this" because the media have already SPOKEN. dchill Nov 11 #85

Agreed. The media wanted our eyeballs not to inform us LSparkle Nov 11 #96

Here's another possibility. Mr. Evil Nov 11 #66

I am fairly certain that a version of this scenario has occurred with certain members of congress. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #72

trump and Johnson's little secret. And trump doubling down on garbage Latinos... brush Nov 11 #84

Exactly. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #127

Yep, and now we have to deal with a senile-adjacent, bloviating fool delivering mental weave for 4 years. brush Nov 12 #129

They don't have to invoke the 25th. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #131

God, we are so in trouble. brush Nov 12 #132

"...and in front of a speeding turnip truck.." The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 12 #134

I'll take my cues from the DNC and the Harris/Walz campaign. I sure wish the left... LAS14 Nov 11 #91

I stand by my psychological profiling. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #93

CONSPIRACY THEORY? REALLY?!! Well, what about the VERBATIM statement give by Nikolai Patrushev, a member of pootie's The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 12 #135

Flipped votes were documented on BMDs in PA in November 2023 lostnfound Nov 11 #108

I am sure the Russian/Chinese military hackers were able to figure all of this out. Irish_Dem Nov 11 #109

We heard for four years that the election was stolen. I doubt the public wants to hear it another four jimfields33 Nov 12 #126

Four years ago a house down the block burned down... Think. Again. Saturday #157

The public appears to want to hear only lies. Not the truth. Irish_Dem Saturday #163

Well said. Think. Again. Saturday #155

I agree. I weighed in a couple of times already Jarqui Nov 11 #2

the question is what does "thoroughly check" mean garybeck Nov 11 #11

Trump people could have given this same pep-talk four years ago. tritsofme Nov 11 #16

Post removed Post removed Nov 11 #19

You really can't say that. dchill Nov 11 #86

Okay, then what is the purpose of the discussion? TheKentuckian Nov 11 #90

You do understand that evidence you are requiring for audits and recounts... Think. Again. Saturday #158

Recounts in all close races is a start Jarqui Nov 11 #36

There are a variety of things that could be involved Jarqui Saturday #161

This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Saturday #151

Two main reasons IMO. 1) We spent the last 4 years deriding/mocking/ridiculing kelly1mm Nov 11 #3

Rs continued to deny reality AFTER investigations were complete spooky3 Nov 11 #5

And that is the difference between us and them Dem4life1234 Nov 11 #10

I guess highly circumstantial to very speculative is a notch or two above baseless TheKentuckian Nov 11 #21

We were deriding/mocking/ridiculing way before the investigations/court cases were completed kelly1mm Nov 11 #46

We disagree. Nt spooky3 Nov 11 #64

i agree and I think that was done on purpose garybeck Nov 11 #7

And they went through 60 court cases. The AP called this election that first night. pnwmom Nov 11 #40

They can be filed as soon as they can be prepared. And R's will deride/mock/ridicule us just like we did them. nt kelly1mm Nov 11 #47

They can mock us all they want. Don't you see how we were set up? pnwmom Nov 11 #49

I do not believe there was any credible reports of hacking if you are referring to vote switching kelly1mm Nov 11 #52

According to Greg Palast, there were 2.7 million rejected provisional ballots last time. pnwmom Nov 11 #88

I think every court refused to hear their cases soandso Nov 12 #122

Stephen Spoonamoore's 11/15 Duty to Warn letter is worth the read Babajida Saturday #154

There are differences Meowmee Nov 11 #104

Being 'a fascist lunatic trying to take over the country' is not evidence of voting irregularities. Can you kelly1mm Nov 11 #110

Yes it is imo, it's not normal to tell your voters. They don't have to vote because you already have the votes since whe Meowmee Nov 11 #111

He said they would not need to vote 'next time'. He said he needed their votes now and then kelly1mm Nov 11 #112

He also said after that first statement several times Meowmee Nov 11 #113

Evidence? Martin68 Nov 12 #124

We lost. No recount, court case, protest, etc., is going to change that. We have mid-terms coming. Silent Type Nov 11 #4

We Have Mid-Terms Coming? LOL!!!!! SoCalDavidS Nov 11 #25

I choose not to sulk. Silent Type Nov 11 #38

It's not about sulking. Do you really think Trump would allow fair mid terms if they succeeded pnwmom Nov 11 #44

Except he didn't flip 2024. If Harris, Biden, etc., believe results were correct, I'll continue to move on. We lost. Silent Type Nov 11 #50

If they got away with fixing this election, why would anything be different in the midterms? nt pnwmom Nov 11 #41

Well, yeah, if the got away with fixing election. But don't think they did and I'm not a GOPer type election denier. Silent Type Nov 11 #78

There aren't going to be any more elections. I heard it form the Dump himself. Clouds Passing Nov 11 #62

They've spent eight years softening up public reaction to this argument, and made such a fuss lees1975 Nov 11 #8

Our highest elected officials on a State level have been assuring voters for over three years MichMan Nov 11 #9

the 2nd one garybeck Nov 11 #12

Based on what direct evidence? No, a report from twenty years ago nor Lichtmans non scientific keys qualify. TheKentuckian Nov 11 #43

evidence..... garybeck Nov 11 #58

Exactly keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #65

that is a GREAT question! where is TRUTH IS ALL ? n/t garybeck Nov 11 #75

Well keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #128

I'll be happy to question the results -misanthroptimist Nov 11 #14

You mean the dozen or so threads on the subject? Fish700 Nov 11 #15

Threads are not evidence. Martin68 Nov 12 #123

Didn't say they were. The OP asked why isn't there more discussion when the site is riddled with threads about it. Fish700 Friday #143

These things happened in 2020 2016 2012 and 2008 also ColinC Nov 11 #17

one mistake people make is garybeck Nov 11 #22

No. It's questioning our democratic process with little to no evidence. Just like Trump did. ColinC Nov 11 #23

Trump did this for months it's less than a week later. Ilikepurple Nov 11 #101

Were gonna need a left wing "My Pillow Guy" Zeitghost Nov 11 #18

more than that :) but yeah! n/t garybeck Nov 11 #20

'foolish' 'stupid' 'vulnerable' appear to be pervasive. elleng Nov 11 #24

No RandySF Nov 11 #26

Sounds like you're saying is Trump's complaints after 2020 should have been taken more seriously and given more credence onenote Nov 11 #28

In the olden days we watched them get stolen from us right before our eyes. Hope22 Nov 11 #30

What anomalies? Lower turnout isnt an anomaly. hootman Nov 11 #34

Then that must be that! Hope22 Nov 11 #69

Here's something to chew on... Hope22 Nov 11 #70

Starling wasnt used to upload votes. Now we're in conspiracy land. hootman Nov 11 #100

His cases were taken seriously. There were 60 court cases. How many have we had? nt pnwmom Nov 11 #45

onenote, why are you ALWAYS a naysayer about challenging the validity of Trump's suspicious "victory"? ElementaryPenguin Friday #145

When there is something credible to react to, I won't be a naysayer. onenote Saturday #148

Not suppose to question like we were not suppose to challenge Garland. LizBeth Nov 11 #29

Just because there are likely ongoing election investigations that can't yet be revealed, nevermind reported. ancianita Nov 11 #31

ALL the votes haven't been counted. When they are it wont be millions & millions fewer hootman Nov 11 #32

The rigging happened in plain site crud Nov 11 #33

I agree 100%. I am astounded that some are accepting this and that the leaders are not making issues of all of this. 58Sunliner Nov 11 #35

No, no, no. Sorry. I think at least some of this is being pushed by Russian and other psyops. LauraInLA Nov 11 #37

garybeck Upthevibe Nov 11 #39

the Brennsn Center stillcool Nov 11 #42

But if Repubs go low, Dems go high, and the electorate rewards that with respect and votes. Oh, wait... Beartracks Nov 11 #48

I'm not discussing it here JustAnotherGen Nov 11 #51

I'm surprised too, garybeck. littlemissmartypants Nov 11 #53

Until I see proof of fraud, I will stick to my first instinct kellytore Nov 11 #54

Both things can be true - we live in a country of many idiots and the vote was hacked as well. ElementaryPenguin Friday #146

We need post-election audits NOW. AmBlue Nov 11 #55

We do have post election audits EdmondDantes_ Nov 11 #105

I stand corrected AmBlue Nov 11 #117

Recount means run through the machines with a "mix" of hand counting questionseverything Friday #144

Most states do not require... Think. Again. Saturday #159

Read the doc you just shared. garybeck Nov 12 #119

They are only separated now by 3,587,866 votes. Mosby Nov 11 #56

Occam's Razor? Yes, it's likely many millions fewer people voted LearnedHand Nov 11 #57

That's a Republican thing. Groundhawg Nov 11 #59

No it's not. garybeck Nov 12 #121

Totally with you, garybeck! dchill Nov 11 #60

Agreed keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #61

I'm with you on this. More information and investigation is needed! liberalla Nov 11 #63

You have ReRe Nov 11 #67

for the same reason we don't believe the grassy knoll fairytale. n/t Hamlette Nov 11 #68

Its keepthemhonestO Nov 11 #71

Trump's numbers were not that far off from 2020 RVN VET71 Nov 11 #73

John Pavlovitz is posting about the under votes kristndem Nov 11 #74

Has he seen actual ballots???? LeftInTX Nov 11 #77

You are correct...we should be able to see the ballots questionseverything Saturday #152

K&R red dog 1 Nov 11 #76

Just because a bank could be robbed doesn't mean it was robbed Kaleva Nov 11 #80

This plus the fact that nearly the entire country saw a rightward shift DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 11 #107

And Michigan is controlled by Democrats Kaleva Nov 11 #116

When the bank does an audit k55f5r Nov 12 #130

When the bank does an audit? k55f5r Nov 12 #133

If a bank was expecting a deposit of 10 million but it doesn't happen Kaleva Nov 12 #142

MAGA co-opted the issue Cirsium Nov 11 #81

Threads like this SCantiGOP Nov 11 #82

Do you think the party who gave us FAKE ELECTORS would not cheat? Emile Saturday #162

One tidbit to add to the pile.. essaynnc Nov 11 #83

The Texas Secretary of State is auditing the election. Susan Calvin Nov 11 #87

I'm afraid.... essaynnc Nov 11 #92

Yeah, but then why are they auditing in the first place? Susan Calvin Nov 11 #99

This task force was convened in 2005. LAS14 Nov 11 #89

nope lapfog_1 Nov 11 #106

There won't be any more Meowmee Nov 12 #120

THIS malaise Nov 11 #94

Do we have a task force in each swing State KS Toronado Nov 11 #95

There are tens of thousands of people Progressive dog Nov 11 #97

I don't get those who are just ready to roll over and take the loss Blue Owl Nov 11 #98

If there are mandated random hand audits that are properly run and results compared to... yourout Nov 11 #102

I do not know of such mandatory spot-auditing in PA. John1956PA Nov 12 #125

If The Democrats Cry Foul, And Act Like Sore Losers, Voters Will Punish Us SoCalDavidS Nov 11 #103

"Look what happened to T in this election" - ahem, he won. TBF Nov 12 #141

Even if it was orangecrush Nov 11 #114

Just the numbers, no way this is legit Autisminsight Nov 11 #115

bogus numbers in Wisconsin Autisminsight Nov 12 #118

Thank You For Posting This annielion Nov 12 #136

I cannot believe it. NT bcbink Nov 12 #137

Surprised how little? Really? MarvinGardens Nov 12 #138

There won't be a 'next election' - every expert on authoritarianism has explained this. polichick Saturday #153

Great post! hamsterjill Nov 12 #139

Great post! hamsterjill Nov 12 #140

What are they so afraid of? Meowmee Saturday #147

Most states do audits. onenote Saturday #149

Do full audits/recounts and forensic investigation every election in every state Meowmee Saturday #150

Thank you for posting this. Think. Again. Saturday #156

Too many people on here will cry conspiracy theories!! Lunabell Saturday #160