I'm surprised at how little discussion there is questioning the results.

[garybeck]

58. evidence.....

as I tried to make clear, the issue right now is not evidence. at best we have circumstantial evidence. gut feeling, something smells fishy. polls were wrong. experts were wrong. that is not real evidence.

the point i'm making is, we need people to understand that it is possible to steal elections, because our system is vulnerable.

you can brush off the fact that the Brennan Report is 20 years old but is that scientific? you should ask, what does the report say and what has changed since then?

and it's not just the brennan report. that helped. but it only reinforced what those of us who have been studying it have known.

here it is in a nutshell. hopefully I won't have to type this out too many times:

1) the most vulnerable item in our election system is the memory cards in the optical scanners.
2) every optical scanner has a memory card that is removed from the machine and brought to a central location for reprogramming before every election. the central location in most cases is not secure. It's an office building somewhere.
3) if just ONE memory card for a state or region is infected with a virus, it can be spread to all the memory cards
4) a good hacker could easily make a virus that infects the vote counting software
5) all they would need really is an insider at a handful of these locations where the memory cards are programmed.
6) if a memory card is infected, it would have NO WAY to show it's counting improperly, other than hand counting a precinct and verifying the same results. The test that they do on the machines before the election does not in any way mean it's counting properly during the real election count.
7) the organization Verified Voting tells us that the only way to really verify the count of the optical scanners and prevent fraud is with "risk limiting audits." While some states have instituted audits on their machines, nearly zero have risk limiting audits.

this is just one vulnerability. there are many more, outlined in the Brennan Report and others. you can brush it off because the report is 20 years old or you can ask yourself if anything has changed in 20 years. i can tell you the answer. it has gotten a little better because most of the touchscreen voting machines are gone and they were even worse. But there is a false sense of security with the optical scanners, because of the above info and more. and it's gotten a little better because some states audit their results. but virtually none of them are risk limiting audits, so they are not effective, and more importantly they are not a deterrent.