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135. Yes, it looks like a syncretic religion

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 10:37 PM

Mar 2023

cobbled from many ancient sources, then codified by Rome at the Council of Nicaea, source of the Nicene Creed. The christian calendar clearly copies the pagan calendar.

One thing that always struck me: the Abrahamic religions, what we call monotheism, are "mono" only in that they deny the divine female principle. God is the ultimate Patriarch. All the other religions of the area had goddesses, but not the Abrahamics. However, when Rome took it over, suddenly we have lots of female saints and Mary worship, er, "veneration". That made it more palatable to Romans, but she had to be a virgin and not fully realized, even in motherhood, a kind of castration. It seems people really want female divinity as well as male, though, and female divinity will sneak in.

I was writing a piece on my experiences as a devout Catholic child. If I post it, should I ping you?

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Praying in the Capitol rotunda, Lauren Boebert stated that Jesus "went to hell in our place." [View all] riversedge Mar 2023 OP

Jesus went to hell to take the slot that was slated for her. llmart Mar 2023 #1

She took stage lessons from Paula White. if you can stomach it, compare the two at live events. Midnight Writer Mar 2023 #79

she is a fucking lunatic, a clear and present danger Celerity Mar 2023 #2

Is there supposed to be something remarkable about that? Effete Snob Mar 2023 #3

Remarkable delusion, that's all ExtremelyWokeMatt Mar 2023 #12

Post removed Post removed Mar 2023 #25

Joe Biden goes every Sunday Effete Snob Mar 2023 #35

Well stated PJMcK Mar 2023 #34

I never learned Jesus went to hell when he died. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #41

It's kind of the point Effete Snob Mar 2023 #47

I thought God gave Jesus to humans because Jesus was a good person, an example and teacher. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #56

Good person? Effete Snob Mar 2023 #86

Not the story the nuns told us. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #91

Building a religion Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #105

Religion is one of the oldest and best grifts ever. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #107

The scapegoat orthoclad Mar 2023 #125

So basically the whole story taken from pagan mythology. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #129

Yes, it looks like a syncretic religion orthoclad Mar 2023 #135

Yes I would love to read it. Let me know when you finish with the piece. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #136

I was in the St Dominic Savio Society orthoclad Mar 2023 #137

I have not heard about the DS society or extreme Mary worship. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #138

Something about him accepting martyrdom orthoclad Mar 2023 #139

Wow that is such a neat rainbow story. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #140

The musta whispered it orthoclad Mar 2023 #142

.... Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #143

Back in the day, before I stopped giving a damn about conforming, aka-chmeee Mar 2023 #100

I most have not registered that part. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #104

It was in the versions of the Apostles' Creed BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #111

We didn't say this prayer much at all. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #113

Episcopalians used the Nicene Creed more in the liturgy BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #116

Catholics too Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #118

It's that overlap BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #121

It's right there Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #117

He didn't go to hell in my place but her book says he did go to hell. Autumn Mar 2023 #4

Standard Christian (at least Catholic) doctrine. Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #5

Pretty much standard everywhere else, too Effete Snob Mar 2023 #23

3 days? PJMcK Mar 2023 #40

Ever spend a weekend in Philadelphia? Effete Snob Mar 2023 #58

Try Flint, MI (n/t) PJMcK Mar 2023 #62

That's why Jesus went to Cancun afterwards Effete Snob Mar 2023 #76

That was Ted Cruz who went to Cancun after the Texas apocalypse. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2023 #83

The Apostles Creed recited in some churches uses the phrase Ilsa Mar 2023 #61

There are a couple of different creeds Retrograde Mar 2023 #95

Nicene Creed seems more like prose, more detailed in Ilsa Mar 2023 #112

Are you Roman Catholic? Retrograde Mar 2023 #114

No, always protestant. nt Ilsa Mar 2023 #124

correct dembotoz Mar 2023 #99

He went to Hell? 2naSalit Mar 2023 #6

They just make things up Johnny2X2X Mar 2023 #9

The Catholic Church (not sure about Protestants but I think it's the same) Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #13

My daughter went to Catholic school and not once did I hear that. Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #16

It is part of their beliefs. Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #18

Thanks... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #19

I went to Mass so I got the 10% tuition reduction...and not once did I hear that... Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #21

5th article of the apostles creed. edisdead Mar 2023 #29

I sang in choirs... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #46

Did you ever sing Handel's Messiah? Effete Snob Mar 2023 #85

Oh... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #108

Perhaps you were H2O Man Mar 2023 #68

its in the apostles creed. edisdead Mar 2023 #27

+1 H2O Man Mar 2023 #71

It's true Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #119

I never heard that in Catholic School. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #43

One last reference for you Effete Snob Mar 2023 #87

Good god. Either the nuns left out that part or I blocked it out. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #92

You were correct. Effete Snob Mar 2023 #110

I grew up in the Lutheran Church and wnylib Mar 2023 #115

It's called the Harrowing of Hell. tblue37 Mar 2023 #20

Right and it is celebrated in the Ukranian Catholic church and Evangelicals in my experience hate Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #24

Someone even took pictures Effete Snob Mar 2023 #38

Have you ever been a member of a Christian denomination Effete Snob Mar 2023 #22

When I was a kid... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #31

What did Jesus do between Good Friday and Easter? Effete Snob Mar 2023 #33

From what I recall... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #42

Exactly. How could Jesus go to hell when he was perfect, the son of God. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #50

He went there to let souls out. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #52

What was Jesus thinking? He sounds like the perfect enabler. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #59

Ever notice how these "Christians" behave? Effete Snob Mar 2023 #60

You nailed it right here Effete Snob Mar 2023 #53

See? 2naSalit Mar 2023 #54

That's what the initials are for Effete Snob Mar 2023 #57

Raised fundy Baptist in Texas. Nobody ever taught us this. Doesn't surprise me Crazy Boebert went to emulatorloo Mar 2023 #55

It's a pretty important part of the Christian dogma! PJMcK Mar 2023 #45

Jesus went through the ordeal because he was persecuted by the Romans. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #49

He could have simply zapped them with a death ray Effete Snob Mar 2023 #66

Because his god the father wanted him to burn in hell for earthlings. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #69

Yep. You got it. Effete Snob Mar 2023 #73

I have a queasy stomach and drinking blood and eating flesh didn't sit well with me. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #80

Never eat Jesus on an empty stomach Effete Snob Mar 2023 #90

You always eat Jesus on a totally empty stomach. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #93

I'm 51, so no spring chicken Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #120

I'm quite a bit older than you are. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #128

I still don't eat meat on Fridays during Lent Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #131

We could never eat meat on Fridays. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #132

If your mother was chill enough to teach you you weren't going to hell Dorian Gray Mar 2023 #133

That's not correct PJMcK Mar 2023 #77

Change "almost no" to "no" Effete Snob Mar 2023 #81

Yeah, we're on the same pages PJMcK Mar 2023 #98

I'm just telling you what the nuns told us. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #82

Before or after they rapped your wrists with a ruler? PJMcK Mar 2023 #97

.... Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #101

I've heard people call Jews "Christ-killers" orthoclad Mar 2023 #126

The Jesus story is a mash-up of a number of religious myths PJMcK Mar 2023 #127

The archetpes behind the myths orthoclad Mar 2023 #141

which is strange, because if the Jews did treestar Mar 2023 #134

From the way I was told... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #51

Don't worry, I'm not upset PJMcK Mar 2023 #70

That... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #75

He went to hell because he was "woke?" tinrobot Mar 2023 #7

In some versions of Christianity, this is what they believe. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #8

It is made up and not biblical. Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #14

It's an early church belief based on 1 Peter 3:19-20 and recited in the Apostles Creed. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #17

It is part of Episcopal doctrine Effete Snob Mar 2023 #26

Clearly she is ignorant...Jesus did not got to hell and if you believe he is now seated on the Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #10

Ever heard of the Episcopal Church? Effete Snob Mar 2023 #28

Methodists removed "descended...", later restored it unc70 Mar 2023 #65

So if he went to hell in our place we don't need religion. Emile Mar 2023 #11

Except only Christians believe that. Mosby Mar 2023 #15

That is indeed what some beleive Effete Snob Mar 2023 #32

Right so we can do whatever the hell we want, Jesus gives us a pass? Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #48

You are indeed starting to understand these people Effete Snob Mar 2023 #63

What I learned from the nuns when I was 8 y/o is that religious people seem crazy. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #64

Bingo Effete Snob Mar 2023 #72

One of my aunts was a nun and she was fabulous. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #78

Yup. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #103

When I was young, most catholics I knew were not that religious. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #106

That's a new fairy tale on me Bayard Mar 2023 #30

She's trying to prove publicly her god has infinite patience. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #36

She's right and she's wrong Maeve Mar 2023 #37

We'll have to bring in a Navajo elder to smudge the place after that. Hotler Mar 2023 #39

In some Christian doctrine Jesus went to hell during his 3 days in the grave Trenzalore Mar 2023 #44

Then, for the Mormons, he went on an American tour Effete Snob Mar 2023 #74

I'm interpreting "our place" as Boebert's house. ananda Mar 2023 #67

So much for the separation of church and state. What a whackadoodle. She should be Vinca Mar 2023 #84

She's just quoting The Apostles' Creed. MineralMan Mar 2023 #88

Mineral Man, I was just going to add that it is the Apostles' Creed. Said it every Sunday at Mass. debm55 Mar 2023 #89

Did he, Lauren? Or was he there putting the "reserved" sign on your table? Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #94

Hey MAGAs, this is our government, not your church. GTFO and STFU. Initech Mar 2023 #96

This is like someone telling me that Persephone went to Hades for me. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #102

Sound like Jesus went to her bar. kairos12 Mar 2023 #109

I had no idea Jesus went to hell. Sounds like he went to the immigration office and changed his visa betsuni Mar 2023 #122

I'm going to ignore that loon, and comment on the history of this myth instead Meowmee Mar 2023 #123

What an utter whack job. roamer65 Mar 2023 #130