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In reply to the discussion: Praying in the Capitol rotunda, Lauren Boebert stated that Jesus "went to hell in our place." [View all]BumRushDaShow
(164,739 posts)111. It was in the versions of the Apostles' Creed
The Apostles Creed: Its History and Origins
Logos Staff 7 min read January 18, 2022
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The creed as it exists today consists of three main articles, like the Old Roman Creed divided according to a Trinitarian arrangement. The text is as follows (Kelly, Creeds, 369):
I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth;
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born from the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried, descended into hell,
on the third day rose again from the dead,
ascended to heaven, sits at the right hand of God the Father almighty,
thence He will come to judge the living and the dead;
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the remission of sins,
the resurrection of the flesh,
and eternal life.
Amen.
Disputed phrases
Grudem argues that the phrase He descended into hell is a late addition to the creed. This phrase is commonly understood as a reference to the harrowing of hell, which is based on one interpretation of 1 Pet 3:19. The phrase is first mentioned by Rufinus in the late fourth century, and does not appear in any other versions of the creed until AD 650. Rufinus himself notes that the clause is not added in the Creed of the Roman Church (Symb. 18), though he includes it in the version of the creed that was accepted by his own church of Aquileia (see Symb. 3). Moreover, Rufinus makes clear that he did not believe Christ literally descended into hell, but rather that the phrase merely meant He was buried. The Greek form of the creed has ᾅδης (hades), which can mean merely the grave rather than a place of punishment. Thus a more accurate version would be, He descended into the grave or He descended to the dead (Grudem, He Did Not Descend, 102). This understanding of the phrase is reflected, for example, in Question 50 of the Westminster Larger Catechism.
(snip)
https://www.logos.com/grow/the-apostles-creed-its-history-and-origins/
Logos Staff 7 min read January 18, 2022
(snip)
The creed as it exists today consists of three main articles, like the Old Roman Creed divided according to a Trinitarian arrangement. The text is as follows (Kelly, Creeds, 369):
I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth;
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born from the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried, descended into hell,
on the third day rose again from the dead,
ascended to heaven, sits at the right hand of God the Father almighty,
thence He will come to judge the living and the dead;
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the remission of sins,
the resurrection of the flesh,
and eternal life.
Amen.
Disputed phrases
Grudem argues that the phrase He descended into hell is a late addition to the creed. This phrase is commonly understood as a reference to the harrowing of hell, which is based on one interpretation of 1 Pet 3:19. The phrase is first mentioned by Rufinus in the late fourth century, and does not appear in any other versions of the creed until AD 650. Rufinus himself notes that the clause is not added in the Creed of the Roman Church (Symb. 18), though he includes it in the version of the creed that was accepted by his own church of Aquileia (see Symb. 3). Moreover, Rufinus makes clear that he did not believe Christ literally descended into hell, but rather that the phrase merely meant He was buried. The Greek form of the creed has ᾅδης (hades), which can mean merely the grave rather than a place of punishment. Thus a more accurate version would be, He descended into the grave or He descended to the dead (Grudem, He Did Not Descend, 102). This understanding of the phrase is reflected, for example, in Question 50 of the Westminster Larger Catechism.
(snip)
https://www.logos.com/grow/the-apostles-creed-its-history-and-origins/
The original (and current) Anglican Book of Common Prayer had/has that although when it was updated by the U.S. Episcopal Church, they removed the "hell" reference.
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Praying in the Capitol rotunda, Lauren Boebert stated that Jesus "went to hell in our place." [View all]
riversedge
Mar 2023
OP
She took stage lessons from Paula White. if you can stomach it, compare the two at live events.
Midnight Writer
Mar 2023
#79
I thought God gave Jesus to humans because Jesus was a good person, an example and teacher.
Irish_Dem
Mar 2023
#56
The Catholic Church (not sure about Protestants but I think it's the same)
Elessar Zappa
Mar 2023
#13
I went to Mass so I got the 10% tuition reduction...and not once did I hear that...
Demsrule86
Mar 2023
#21
Right and it is celebrated in the Ukranian Catholic church and Evangelicals in my experience hate
Demsrule86
Mar 2023
#24
Raised fundy Baptist in Texas. Nobody ever taught us this. Doesn't surprise me Crazy Boebert went to
emulatorloo
Mar 2023
#55
I have a queasy stomach and drinking blood and eating flesh didn't sit well with me.
Irish_Dem
Mar 2023
#80
It's an early church belief based on 1 Peter 3:19-20 and recited in the Apostles Creed.
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 2023
#17
Clearly she is ignorant...Jesus did not got to hell and if you believe he is now seated on the
Demsrule86
Mar 2023
#10
What I learned from the nuns when I was 8 y/o is that religious people seem crazy.
Irish_Dem
Mar 2023
#64
In some Christian doctrine Jesus went to hell during his 3 days in the grave
Trenzalore
Mar 2023
#44
So much for the separation of church and state. What a whackadoodle. She should be
Vinca
Mar 2023
#84
Mineral Man, I was just going to add that it is the Apostles' Creed. Said it every Sunday at Mass.
debm55
Mar 2023
#89
I had no idea Jesus went to hell. Sounds like he went to the immigration office and changed his visa
betsuni
Mar 2023
#122
I'm going to ignore that loon, and comment on the history of this myth instead
Meowmee
Mar 2023
#123