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betsuni

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39. Working class for populists means rural white men in swing states who used to have good union manufacturing jobs
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 01:27 AM
17 hrs ago

until jobs started going overseas in the '70s and the U.S. economy shifted to a service/technology economy, and automation.

But they decided to blame Democrats for everything, claiming NAFTA trade deals started the whole thing (Bill Clinton's neoliberal plot) and the party became corrupt immoral elites beholden to Wall Street and corporations (dumbing it down to everything's about money (status quo) and everyone except the populist saviors are corrupt) with the same economic policies as Republicans, and despise and ignore the working class. They think Democrats fool voters by pandering with "identity politics" and the nice white Republican working class is mocked and made to suffer economic anxiety. Polarization with establishment vs anti-establishment, demonizing Democrats, usual Us vs Them populist style. They want people to hate Democrats as the true roadblock to progress. Zero evidence for any of these supposed Democratic crimes, of course.

Majority of Trump votes in the general and many for Sanders in the primary were voting against Hillary. Left populists confused this with support for them (why the Democratic-establishment-rigs-primaries conspiracy theories). Americans are not secretly progressives yearning for economic revolution but somehow thwarted by cartoonishly evil Democrats.

Majority of the working class are not white rural men. The working class votes Democratic, lower the income the more likely to vote Democratic. Why would anyone think the Biden administration ignores the working class (examples of policies - what's the evidence both sides are the same?), that Kamala would ignore them, that Democrats aren't from working or middle class backgrounds? Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris were 1% elites who don't know what inequality is and have no idea what's going on in the U.S.? When they mock Democrats as elites, are they thinking FDR? The one who saved capitalism: "Roosevelt took the status quo in our economic system as much for granted as his family."

Bernie Sanders: "It's not just Kamala. It's a Democratic Party which increasingly has become a party of identity politics, rather than understanding that the vast majority of people in this country are working class."

I've never seen an explanation of this ideology.

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It appears to me gab13by13 21 hrs ago #1
I totally disagree! tableturner 21 hrs ago #2
A. I did not say I think Dems aren't doing enough. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #13
you're right in a lot of what you say here. stopdiggin 21 hrs ago #3
What "brawler" means in AOC's context.... tableturner 21 hrs ago #7
I understand your point. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #15
Did you see my correction on my OP? yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #27
and I agree with about 95% of what you had to say stopdiggin 20 hrs ago #34
The word choice is probably intended to evoke commitment. Frasier Balzov 21 hrs ago #4
IMHO, you missed her point. Phoenix61 21 hrs ago #5
I agree...SCREW decorum! That's how the GOP kicks our asses! tableturner 21 hrs ago #10
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #16
I needed to make a correction in my OP. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #18
I believe you might be wrongly hung up on the "middle class" thing. Think. Again. 21 hrs ago #6
"Ocasio-Cortez said, we need to be a party of brawlers for the working class." yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #8
Cut and pasted from your OP above... Think. Again. 21 hrs ago #11
Your OP states it differently. Sailingfish 21 hrs ago #14
I have since realized that it wa indeed the phrase - "working class". yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #20
Thanks. No apologies needed at all. Sailingfish 20 hrs ago #25
Thank you for your gracious reply. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #31
Cheers Sailingfish 18 hrs ago #38
Thanks for clearing that up! Sorry about the confusion. Think. Again. 20 hrs ago #35
My apologies. There was a typo in my OP. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #19
My take SilasSouleII 21 hrs ago #9
I'll agree. The word "brawlers" means a lot of things n I'm not getting hung up on a word. Her intent is more important Deuxcents 21 hrs ago #12
The phrase used by AOC was actually "working class. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #23
the middle class made this country? try again. NoRethugFriends 19 hrs ago #37
The Revolutionary War ... Xoan 21 hrs ago #17
Freedom riders. CoopersDad 20 hrs ago #22
Here is a more full transcript of the exchange. Context matters. CoopersDad 20 hrs ago #21
She used that phrase in more than one interview. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #24
and that is actually WAY more disappointing stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #36
How I'm reading it Lulu KC 20 hrs ago #26
Thank you for your input and thoughts. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #29
The notion that Democrats need to be brawlers is spot on, gab13by13 20 hrs ago #28
I think the push back regarding the EO's in the past couple of days yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #30
I like anyone that names themselves after a flower. Brogrizzly 20 hrs ago #32
Thank you. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #33
Working class for populists means rural white men in swing states who used to have good union manufacturing jobs betsuni 17 hrs ago #39
I don't know. Elessar Zappa 9 hrs ago #40
What if we are all of the above (or many of the above) - TBF 4 hrs ago #41
I think you may not understand the purpose of my post. yellow dahlia 50 min ago #42
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