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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
4. Damn, Sir, This Is The Night For Comedy
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:46 AM
Apr 2020

Your employment of the phrase 'bernie just stands for the liberal, progressive values' is really the key to whole problem. He just stands for them.

Both 'Bernie' and his most devoted supporters are more concerned with the identity they present, to themselves and to others, than anything else.

Sanders in his colossal egotism conflates support for certain policy goals with desire for him to be the leader of a movement to achieve those goals.

This is nonesense.

Even leaving aside the fact that most of those goals are general among Democratic voters and enjoy broad support among Democratic office-holders and Party officials, virtually no one, not even among Sanders' supporters, thinks he can actually achieve them should he come to hold the highest office in the land.

Expressions of support for Sanders are made as a marker of political orientation. Expressing support for Sanders says 'I'm not a moderate, I'm well to the left of most people', and as with most such things, serves to identify a 'cool' group separate from the general run of 'squares'. People doing this do not even particularly want to prevail, in the sense of being in the majority. It is axiomatic that a majority can never be 'cool', the feeling of being 'hip' and part of an 'in-crowd' depends on being outnumbered by the host of the unwashed and unenlightened. The point is not to achieve any political goal, to secure any discrete reform, it is simply to be sure one is perceived as a particular, and special, kind of person.

People who have an actual interest in achieving the goals widespread among Democrats, the goals of all left and progressive and liberal persons in general, recognize readily Sanders is far too flawed as a politician, and as a personality, to make any progress towards their goals. They know Sanders has not achieved any measurable advance towards them in his long Congressional career. They know Sanders' claim to hold patents and copyrights on these goals is nonesense, because they know their own desires pre-date Sanders, and exist in their hearts and minds without the slightest reference to him or influence by him.

In short, while Sanders imagines himself to be the indispensable man, an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters are clear in their minds that Sanders is quite dispensable, and are determined to see him disposed of, as soon as possible.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Wisconsin will be his undoing. ucrdem Apr 2020 #1
Florida, Arizona, and Illinois were his undoing. George II Apr 2020 #19
LOL, oui c'est vrai. ucrdem Apr 2020 #35
And Michigan. And Texas. And Minnesota. And etc..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2020 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Apr 2020 #37
That's great to hear, thanks! ucrdem Apr 2020 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Apr 2020 #42
Yes it's also morally indefensible that the elections weren't postponed ucrdem Apr 2020 #43
he can hire larry david to give his withdrawal speech :-) nt msongs Apr 2020 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author rampartc Apr 2020 #3
Damn, Sir, This Is The Night For Comedy The Magistrate Apr 2020 #4
Wow, you summed that up beautifully PatSeg Apr 2020 #21
Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #23
You're welcome PatSeg Apr 2020 #25
Wonderful, masterful post...very impressive +1000 Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #32
Well Stated! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #44
Advocating policies that over promise, under deliver and never get passed is not a progressive value grantcart Apr 2020 #5
Thank you for mentioning Canada. murielm99 Apr 2020 #7
Agreed. We have to build on ACA Akakoji Apr 2020 #16
Welcome to DU grantcart Apr 2020 #31
I took a day out in 2012 and looked at the history of the health plans of the 26 leading grantcart Apr 2020 #40
Damn straight BidenBacker Apr 2020 #9
You could say that Sanders is the main one impeding progress at this point Walleye Apr 2020 #11
Two highly quotable comments in a row PatSeg Apr 2020 #22
thank you for the compliment, I didn't see the Magistrate's post as I was writing mine. grantcart Apr 2020 #29
"Sander's unique strategy to add by subtraction" PatSeg Apr 2020 #36
Yeah. I'm probably more liberal than 75% of the electorate Clash City Rocker Apr 2020 #30
Isn't it amazing PatSeg Apr 2020 #41
gee I didnt know the only person who holds any progressive values is bernie. thanks! msongs Apr 2020 #6
Bern will NEVER, in his life, be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States Celerity Apr 2020 #8
That's one good thing about British politicians BidenBacker Apr 2020 #10
If he was the Democratic nominee, it would guarantee to put a Republican in the White House olegramps Apr 2020 #18
+1 Celerity Apr 2020 #24
An Example To Take To Heart, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #27
Progressive values? He is standing in the way of progress Walleye Apr 2020 #12
The root of the word " progressive" is "progress". George II Apr 2020 #17
If "pro" is the opposite of "con" BidenBacker Apr 2020 #47
Bernie doesn't have a monopoly on liberal and progressive values DenverJared Apr 2020 #20
What crap. Squinch Apr 2020 #28
Why would Biden concede to Trump... he has not lost the General but Sanders has Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #33
If he doesn't have the votes, then how does he actually get those values ehrnst Apr 2020 #38
That's nice, but, he has no viable path to the delegate threshold Tarc Apr 2020 #45
Not a chance. I'll never forgive him for 2016, nor should anyone. Hortensis Apr 2020 #13
I suspect Bernie is staying duforsure Apr 2020 #14
Biden can't go for MFA...only universal coverage based on the ACA...and that is that. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #34
I doubt that he'll EVER win BlueMTexpat Apr 2020 #15
Lol because Sanders couldn't carry his own water. In 48 hours we will have the presumptive nominee. grantcart Apr 2020 #46
irredeemable handmade34 Apr 2020 #26
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